Rammstein beyond the studio albums

[Waidmann]

If you are interested in old demos of them, someone gathered lots of them on here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5NvgviU6xM

[I Hurt You]

I have got a copy of "Das Modell" on CD. The three-track version with something extra for use in a PC, a computerspieler thing, or whatever it is. My German is terrible and I can't remember what it is exactly now, but you get the point lol! But I'm wondering, just how rare is that these days? I've heard whispers it's as rare as hens teeth lol!

[Waidmann]

^The name of a demo called Schwula was written between the other Mutter demos. Other demos turned into Mutter songs or Reise, reise songs or just disapeared. This one re-apeared between Reise, Reise demos. Later on someone (I think Till) talked about this song, and afterwards it became clear he was talking about Mann gegen Mann.

[CardonaRacing18]

Is there any evidence Mann gegen Mann was made during the Mutter era? Sounds very interesting but never saw anything come up.

[Xendar]

^Hehe, thx! Well, that Schwulah dates from the Mutter period, that's why I put it there. Might not be clear to people who are looking for it though. It's still not perfect, I'll alter some things, but this was already one hell of a job !

I'll add the Los (full band version) now. I just heard it for the first time and I think it's really jaw-dropping great!

Ohhh really?
Haha I remember the first time hearing the full band version, especially this new chorus, is simply fantastic.
And also, I think it's a better idea if you would create another category for mutter studio demos, this may clear up some more confusions in the future, but of course, in your spare time.

[Waidmann]

^Hehe, thx! Well, that Schwulah dates from the Mutter period, that's why I put it there. Might not be clear to people who are looking for it though. It's still not perfect, I'll alter some things, but this was already one hell of a job !

I'll add the Los (full band version) now. I just heard it for the first time and I think it's really jaw-dropping great!

[Xendar]

Oh wow, you've made it!
You overcame the laziness and added it!
This is a great thread that summarizes all the demos, and glad I was here to help!
And yes, that is true that some of the information appeared there seems like an opinion rather than a verified information.
By the way, you have added Schuwlah under MUTTER (from live demos 2000).
Also, there is also Flugangst in the Reise Reise.
Either way, I am already content with this post, you've done a great job!

[Waidmann]

Ok, I made a lot of changes! I verified all the contributions and added the stuff about which I find confirmation elsewhere that it should be right. Some things are a bit of speculation, but if so, I mentionned that in the list. As I was searching I found out some other things as well and they were also included.
I had to split up the post in two, because it now had too many characters. Luckily the second post on this thread was mine as well, so I could use it too post the rest .

Many thanks for all the information!

[Xendar]

Haha yeah you've got some more material to go through, I might also help you with the organizing.

[Waidmann]

Many thanks for this!

I'll double check some of these and make some additions for sure . The things mentionned in interviews I might very well find, other things too.

[Xendar]

Absynth
Unreleased track. Deleted from the GEMA database.
Flake uses a software synthesizer from Native Instruments called "Absynth"

Alter Mann Demo
Extract in "Achtung! Wir kommen"

Amour Demo
(GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 8138066-001)
Different lyrics

Ankara (05:29)
Demo version of "Zerstören".
It's just a speech with a music box in the background.
(Like the ending of the final song)

Blutige Risse
Another version of Feuerräder.
Listed in the GEMA database.
(GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 4017330-001)

Boxer / Klitschko
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236887-001
Demo version of "Sonne".
It was planned as entrance music for the boxer Wladimir Klitschko

Bringer (05:17)
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 3796022-001
The demo version of Bett in Flammen

Claudia (03:55)
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236881-001

Dalai Lama Demo (04:20)
Shorter demo version
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 8138083-001

Die Geburt (05:30)
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236890-001
Demo version of 5/4

Eisenmann
Yeah, not a rare recording anymore.
Unreleased song from the Reise, Reise recordings.
A mixture between Benzin and LIFAD.

Flake-Blues (03:05)
Demo version of Zwitter
Listed in the GEMA database
(GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236885-001)

Frühling in Paris versions
There were different versions mentioned in some interviews.
There's a version with heavy guitars and an Electro Pop version.

Hin und her
Deleted from the GEMA database.
Could refer to "Hilf mir".

Holz
Unreleased song. Deleted from the GEMA database.

Ich bin (03:56)
Demo version of Te Quiero Puta
with German lyrics.
The chorus would be:
Ich bin ergeben, so ergeben
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 8138069-001

Ich sehe was (03:00)
Probably the demo version of "Moskau".
Has a connection to the demo song "Claudia"
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236889-001

Ich war mit dir
Demo version of Spiel mit mir.
Different lyrics and they used the Sonne riff in the chorus
Listed in the GEMA database
(GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 4017332-001)

Intro Live Audio (02:04)
Maybe an instrumental track
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 9727637-001

Jeder lacht
There's the Saalfeld version and a short 01:44 version.
It's listed in the GEMA database with 04:30
(GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 4017326-001)

Letzter Kuss (04:54)
Demo version of "Nebel".
It has the guitar riff of "Ein Lied".
(GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236888-001)

LIFAD Demos
There are many leaks of all LIFAD songs.
Even multiple and instrumental ones.
And there are some very interesting ones like
Augen zu (Mixture between LIFAD and Wiener Blut lyrics with a very Eurodance-like
keyboard solo), the more electronic version of "Mehr" - where
Schneider recorded the drums to, an completely English version of Pussy,
and a slow gothic rock-like version of Pussy with very stupid English lyrics.

Los (Plugged version)
There's a heavy version of Los, which was planned for the rejected Los single.
They played a bit of it during live concerts.



Mein Herz schlägt links (03:42)
Demo version of "Links 2-3-4".
It has different lyrics and a Reggae-like guitar part
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236896-001

Mein Land
Four known leaks.
Short version with LIFAD-like keyboard solo.
Longer version with outro and string solo.
A short and very heavy version with choir and odd strings.
And an instrumental version.

Nein (04:23)
Demo version of Mein Teil

Punk (03:0?)
Demo version of Feuer frei!
Different lyrics: Es brennt, getadelt wird wer Schmerzen kennt
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236900-001

Reise, Reise (Demo) 04:50
The song starts with "Auch auf den Wellen wird gefochten"
instead of "Auf dem Wasser wird gefochten".

Roter Sand (Another version)
Yes, there's even another version of Roter Sand.
You've got the demo version, the album version, the orchestral version and the Liese version.
And there's another one, somewhere mentioned in an interview.

Sandmann (04:20)
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236878-001
Demo version of Mein Herz brennt with different lyrics

Schenk Mir was
Unreleased song

Seid bereit (04:10)
Demo version of "Wiener Blut" with different effects and intro (strange clockworks,
weird piano parts, Olli plays slap bass).
The chorus has a very technoid main lead (like the keyboard solo during the live version).
But there's also a song from the Mutter era with the same title.
It has the lines "Wartet auf die Antwort, seid bereit"
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236873-001

Schwarzes Glas
It's listed in the GEMA database with 04:45
(GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 4017328-001)
There's also a 1996 version with the Eifersucht riff, different electronic parts and
different lyrics.

Schwuhla (03:51)
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236876-001
Demo version of "Mann gegen Mann" from the Mutter era.


Sonntag bei Omi
Unreleased song. Deleted from the GEMA database.
Could refer to Lindemann's Messer poem "Großmutter".
Paul mentioned a song which is too heavy and gross - even for
a Rammstein release. He's probably referring to this one.

Spring weiter / Spring Jungle (03:55)
Part "Spring demo", part unreleased song
Das Tanzen und das singen Wärmt so fein das Herz das kühle
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 8138080-001

Stirb nicht vor mir (Bobo version)
There's a full studio version with complete German lyrics and Bobo as a guest singer.

Student
Unreleased song. Deleted from the GEMA database.
Paul stated this song was the demo version of "Benzin".
First verse or chorus was "Alle bleiben stehen, alle wollen es sehen".

Tod hat ein Gesicht (03:51)
GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236898-001
Demo version of "Adios" with different lyrics.

Tier (Demo)
Well known from the Saalfeld bootleg.
Soundcheck for the background vocals in "Achtung! Wir kommen"

Mutter (Orchester Version) and Ohne dich (Orchester Version)
The Orchester Version of Mutter was played as outro during the 2002 Mutter tour.
It's probably a track of the rejected "Mutter Orchester Album".
An orchestral version of Ohne dich was played as an outro during some LIFAD concerts.

- Note: I am not sure how accurate all of this information is, but it's pretty damn interesting.

[Waidmann]

^
http://www.feuerrader.pl/forum/topic/687/page/28
This is the Polish fan site, and if you'd scroll down you will find the exact list I was talking about which was in Russian.
I actually tried to figure out how they managed to get this information from GEMA, I even registered there.
I haven't been able to understand how this site works yet.
But will look into it more that's for sure!

I don't seem to understand much of this site XD! It's all in.. well..eh Polish, I guess? Not much to do for me there .

[Xendar]

^
http://www.feuerrader.pl/forum/topic/687/page/28
This is the Polish fan site, and if you'd scroll down you will find the exact list I was talking about which was in Russian.
I actually tried to figure out how they managed to get this information from GEMA, I even registered there.
I haven't been able to understand how this site works yet.
But will look into it more that's for sure!

[Waidmann]

By the way I just noticed you forgot to add Feuer Frei,Zwitter and 5/4 demos.


Edit:
According to GEMA database:
Links was called Mein Herz Schlägt Links.
Feuer Frei is called Punk.
Zwitter is called Flake - Blues.
Die Geburt is the demo version of 5/4. (But not sure 100% if that was the working title back then)
Adios is called Tod Hat Ein Gesicht.

So far I never heard of any of these ! I'll look them up and make additions where necessary (and I'll keep you posted with what I altered). Thx in advance !

[Xendar]

By the way I just noticed you forgot to add Feuer Frei,Zwitter and 5/4 demos.


Edit:
According to GEMA database:
Links was called Mein Herz Schlägt Links.
Feuer Frei is called Punk.
Zwitter is called Flake - Blues.
Die Geburt is the demo version of 5/4. (But not sure 100% if that was the working title back then)
Adios is called Tod Hat Ein Gesicht.