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FORUM RULES ABOUT WEB-BASED LINKS TO MUSIC AND VIDEO'S

Based on latest discussions on this forum, and studiing copyright laws, it is necessary to state out new forum mandatory rules, effective immediately, so, here we are.

LINKS TO MUSIC & VIDEOS: what is legal/what is not.
NEW RULES in the forum state:

From now on in our forum users shal NOT POST TOPICS THAT containin the following :
• Requests for or links to MP3s, music videos, or other files of questionable legality
• Bootlegs

So, please do not POST A LINK TO music or videos which does not directly originate from an officially legal site.

An OFFICIALLY LEGAL SITE is: rammstein.com or rammstein.de, universal music, a legitimate music site like MTV or VIVA. The links must be direct and linked only to the approved site. Any links which have copied and transferred the music or videos from an official legal site to ANYWHERE else are NOT OFFICIAL.

• Do not ASK FOR A LINK to music or videos. If there is a legal site for either listening or viewing, xTERNAL will provide the information in the NEWS section of www.RAMMSTEIN-EUROPE.com.

WHAT YOU CAN DO in the forums: You can DISCUSS a new song or a new video.

WHAT YOU CANNOT DO in the forums: provide illegal links or ask for links, give directions of any kind as to where something might be found (examples: file-sharing, other fansites, etc.). Screen caps will be allowed (within reason) AFTER a video has been made available through an OFFICIAL LEGAL LINK. Fan remixes of songs will be allowed (within reason) after the song has been officially released.

The above restrictions are necessary not because we are being “damn babies” or “. The reason is simply that RAMMSTEIN-EUROPE has made the decision to not be a facilitator of illegal activities involving copyrighted material. The reason for that is also clear. Rammstein’s Management has shown aggressive behaviour in combating copyright infringement.

Anyone who violates the spirit of the aforementioned expansion/explanation of what the RULES mean here as applied to music and videos (and this also includes the "making of videos") will meet up with one of the following consequences:

POST BLOCKED, LINK ERASED AND WORSE.... BANNED IF NECESSARY.

If you have ANY questions about what may or may not be acceptable here, you can always PM a Moderator and ask first before posting something that might get you in trouble here.

•any links to www.youtube.com (or other sharing sites of a similar nature)are generally not allowed.
While some videos like fan made items or spoof animations are allowed, we do not allow linking to youtube. Oftentimes there is/are illegal videos of Rammstein performances to the side of the linked videos. Actual Rammstein Videos which are very illegal to be hosted by that site - therefore we cannot allow links to youtube to be allowed.

So, links to youtube are now allowed - ONLY IF it is a fanmade video by you, and does not contain bootleg footage or footage of live performances or released performances. Stills from photos found on the net are OK. A montage is OK. Clips of released footage are NOT OK.

Please try to understand that sometimes while we may allow a certain individuals fanmade videos, and deny another persons it is usually because the content in it could get the forums in trouble.

Also if some individuals post their fanmade video and it turns out to be bootleg footage that they filmed themselves at a concert and consider that "fanmade" - then we will have to reverse the ruling on allowing fanmade videos PERIOD!

Here is an update on what is considered "fanmade".
Fanmade is fanmade. You did it yourself. Like cut and paste. You creatd everything yourself. No footage filmed by someone else no clips. Still images are OK.
For example:
If you go out and find 6 banana slugs in the yard, dress them up in LAB outfits, and put the skinniest one in a paper boat and play the music to SEEMANN on a kazoo. That is fanmade.

If you have a coverband and you do your own video or you have footage of YOUR band's performance. That is fanmade.

If you have images that you sketched of how you think the video for a song should have been and you put it to music - I think we can allow that.

Use your creativity.

IF YOU SEE VIOLATION OF THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, REPORT IT BY USING THE EXCLAMATION MARK IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER OF RELEVANT POST.


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  • Xendar
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    Hey you also forgot about the song Sehnsucht, which had different lyrics as well.

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  • Waidmann
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    For those who occasionally look into this thread: some small additions were made as I retrieved more info this weekend about certain Lifad demos.
    I thought about adding the piano versions as well, but I don't think any of the Rammstein members were actually involved in the recording (as in played an instrument, I mean).
    Last edited by Waidmann; 12-02-2015, 11:30 PM.

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  • Waidmann
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    Edited once again. Removed a grammar mistake, an interpunction mistake and added some info about the demo Eisenmann. If anyone has anything to add, please feel free to post.

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  • Waidmann
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    ^Please do! I think some stuff are very worthy songs, even better than some final versions. For instance the Stirb nicht vor mir-demo (available on youtube), I think, is surely as good as the version we got on Rosenrot, though significantly different.

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  • Saar
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    Nice overview! There were a lot of things that I didn't know about. Got to look them up now.

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  • Waidmann
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    I edited the first post with tons of early demos (with informations) + improved the structure a bit.

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  • Waidmann
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    ^Thanks again for the extras! I'll add them to the list!

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  • Maya
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    ^ Bayern des Samma Mia in Munich was played 23/11/2009 and 22/11/2011

    And about Joe Letz's remixes:

    Originally posted by Joe Letz
    And now that everyone is aware of my involvement in the upcoming RAMMSTEIN tour, some remix news.

    i have to decided to keep from releasing the remixes i have been and will continue to spin until the completion of the dates. so if you wanna hear em you're gonna have to come to a show :-)

    i will be adding a few extra remixes to my set and revamping the whole thing, so expect it to be different and to be overall even more exclusive to the upcoming live events than before.

    please follow all the people who have worked on the remixes with me as they will be the ones releasing them. i will also release both of my past and upcoming remix sets in their entirety as well. :-)

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  • yermawsucks
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    Lol no problem - If you are going to do remixes be prepared there are alot - maybe a new thread for them - but I would stick to official Rammstein endorsed ones as anyone can do a remix (the only unreleased ones I know of are Joe Letz's remixes - which were due for release but in my opinion are going to be on a future release)

    And I get what you mean by the Wilder Wein rarity now! - and I have one more for rare appearances/songs - the two times that Rammstein have played Bayern de Samma Mia in Munich - the first was an impromptu closer in 2009/10 performed by Paul, Doom, Flake and Oli, the second I think they all did it in 2011/12 - but Im not sure on details

    And I should have said this when I last posted and I was rude to leave it out:

    Fantastic list!

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  • Waidmann
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    Originally posted by yermawsucks View Post
    A few things to add or clarify:

    - Stripped on the single is 15 seconds shorter than the For the MASSES and sehnsucht album versions (the instrumental is cut shorter)
    - Feuerräder (Engel Fan edition) - this is only a Demo Version (listed as "Live Demo Version 1994") and is also available on Ich will DVD)
    - Wilder Wein (Engel Fan edition) - a final non-demo version was released as the B-side on the Amerika 7" vinyl Single as "Wilder Wein" - pretty much the same but slight bits have been cleaned up
    - Hallelujah (B-side Links 234 / Mutter limited edition) - proper name is "Halleluja"; "Hallelujah" is only on the US limited edition of Mutter - there are also two versions one has only guitar at intro (available on Resident Evil OST, and the Mutter editions) and the other has a slight organ-like instrument before the guitars at the start (on Links 2-3-4 and Ich will UK CD (green cover))
    - Pet Semetary (B-side Ich Will, cover Ramones) - maybe clarify this is a live song and no studio version seems to exist (unfortunately)
    - Vergiss uns nicht does not have an exclamation mark ("!") in the title (now I am being picky lol)

    - Angel and You Hate seem to be alternate titles to Engel (English Version) and Du hast (English Version) - but I have never seen them listed as these on the cover art though they are listed like this in the booklet.

    - Alter Mann with Bobo is available on Das Modell Single and is listed as Alter Mann (Special Version)

    - Wilder Wein - live with acustic style guitars - If you are referring to the one from Live aus Berlin - it is not rare: its on the standard 15 track pressing, and is available on the DVD too - the Limited Edition of Live aus Berlin has it slightly extended.

    Sorry if this comes across as pretentious - it isnt supposed to be. I mean it constructively and as you say if there is anything of any value for you you will use it. and sorry I have not added anymore demos as I dont "deal" in demos I only deal in officially released material in my collection (I try to avoid promotional items - far too expensive)

    Though, on that note, there are two Mann gegen Mann Remixes that are sometimes overlooked:
    "Mann gegen Mann (Type O Remix)" - was available on the Australian Digital Download Version (was track 4 and the Ich will video was not part of this version
    "Mann gegen Mann (Futurist Remix)" - was promotional only and not part of the MgM releases that the public could buy - thus I dont have it

    Thank you for the corrections (and thereby sorry for the mistakes) ! Not many people looked into this thread, but so far it's the most complete list I've seen so far. Any help is welcome, I apreciate yours.

    Thank you for the additions. I will make things more clear. If you still find things a bit wrong put, don't be shy to comment again!

    With Wilder Wein being rare I mean it's just one time played live.

    I don't focus on remixes. I must honestly say I don't care for them and never listened to one. But as Rammstein themselves are now showing their apprecation for them more and more (by releasing the best of of the remixes), I think I'll look into them anyways.

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  • yermawsucks
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    Originally posted by Waidmann View Post
    Singles and B-sides
    - Stripped (cover Depeche Mode)
    - Das Modell (cover Kraftwerk)
    - Kokain (B-side Das Modell)
    - Feuerräder (Engel Fan edition)
    - Wilder Wein (Engel Fan edition)
    - Hallelujah (B-side Links 234 / Mutter limited edition)
    - Pet Semetary (B-side Ich Will, cover Ramones)
    - 5/4 (B-side Mutter)
    - Vergiss uns nicht! (B-side Mein Land)
    - Gib Mir Deine Augen (B-side Mein Herz Brennt – piano version)

    Early and alternative versions
    - Angel (english version of Engel – US version of Sehnsucht)
    - You Hate (english version of Du Hast – US version of Sehnsucht)
    - Demo Alter Mann
    - Alter Mann [with backing vocals from Bobo]

    Rare Live songs
    - Wilder Wein (guitar version, Berliner Wuhlheide 1998)
    - Pesnja o trevozhnoy molodosti (Song of the restless youth) (played live in Russia during
    Mutter tour)
    A few things to add or clarify:

    - Stripped on the single is 15 seconds shorter than the For the MASSES and sehnsucht album versions (the instrumental is cut shorter)
    - Feuerräder (Engel Fan edition) - this is only a Demo Version (listed as "Live Demo Version 1994") and is also available on Ich will DVD)
    - Wilder Wein (Engel Fan edition) - a final non-demo version was released as the B-side on the Amerika 7" vinyl Single as "Wilder Wein" - pretty much the same but slight bits have been cleaned up
    - Hallelujah (B-side Links 234 / Mutter limited edition) - proper name is "Halleluja"; "Hallelujah" is only on the US limited edition of Mutter - there are also two versions one has only guitar at intro (available on Resident Evil OST, and the Mutter editions) and the other has a slight organ-like instrument before the guitars at the start (on Links 2-3-4 and Ich will UK CD (green cover))
    - Pet Semetary (B-side Ich Will, cover Ramones) - maybe clarify this is a live song and no studio version seems to exist (unfortunately)
    - Vergiss uns nicht does not have an exclamation mark ("!") in the title (now I am being picky lol)

    - Angel and You Hate seem to be alternate titles to Engel (English Version) and Du hast (English Version) - but I have never seen them listed as these on the cover art though they are listed like this in the booklet.

    - Alter Mann with Bobo is available on Das Modell Single and is listed as Alter Mann (Special Version)

    - Wilder Wein - live with acustic style guitars - If you are referring to the one from Live aus Berlin - it is not rare: its on the standard 15 track pressing, and is available on the DVD too - the Limited Edition of Live aus Berlin has it slightly extended.

    Sorry if this comes across as pretentious - it isnt supposed to be. I mean it constructively and as you say if there is anything of any value for you you will use it. and sorry I have not added anymore demos as I dont "deal" in demos I only deal in officially released material in my collection (I try to avoid promotional items - far too expensive)

    Though, on that note, there are two Mann gegen Mann Remixes that are sometimes overlooked:
    "Mann gegen Mann (Type O Remix)" - was available on the Australian Digital Download Version (was track 4 and the Ich will video was not part of this version
    "Mann gegen Mann (Futurist Remix)" - was promotional only and not part of the MgM releases that the public could buy - thus I dont have it

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  • Waidmann
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    Thx, I'll add it! I'll add some stuff under the "featuring R+ members" as well.

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  • Wolf
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    Originally posted by Waidmann View Post
    Can't seem to find anything on that, I'm afraid. If you find out something more about that, just let me know. It would be noteworthy, as the Pussy-demos are really interesting.
    This is where I first heard/found it.

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  • Waidmann
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    Originally posted by Wolf View Post
    I think one of the demos for Pussy was called "Rassmuss", but I could be wrong.
    Can't seem to find anything on that, I'm afraid. If you find out something more about that, just let me know. It would be noteworthy, as the Pussy-demos are really interesting.

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  • Maya
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    Great initiative!!!!

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