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  • Chrisss Nofff
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    Originally posted by Waidmann View Post
    Maybe I'm paranoid, but what bothered me about the movie (which I actually enjoyed overall) was the stupid cosmopolitan-social message behind it. Allmost all the good ones were "colourfull people", hoping on strangers to spontaniously helping their comrads in need, whilst fighting the bad men who were all white men. Com'on people!
    The Empire in Star Wars was always visually based on Nazi-Germany and Fascist-Italy and partially on the Soviet Union. Things like the strict uniforms, strong use of symbols, the black/grey aesthetic etc. It seemed like a good stylistic choice to only cast british white male actors for those parts back in the 70s and 80s. In addition, the original Star Wars was mostly filmed at Elstree studios near London.

    In the new trilogy, the "First Order" is a little all over the place. In "Force Awakens" and "Last Jedi" there are plenty of visual Nazi-references. However there were plenty of women playing officers in both movies. Last Jedi was a bit more diverse than Force Awakens, but only in "Rise of Skywalker" do we see multiple actors of color being officers as well (as far as I remember).

    On the one hand, there is probably a wish to be more diverse in casting actors. On the other hand, it seemed like they wanted to keep the Empire-aesthetic for "Force Awakens" and "Last Jedi" and therefore only cast a couple of women. However for "Rise of Skywalker" they dropped this idea, and made the "First Order" somewhat diverse. You can even hear some female stormtroopers.

    I guess some people working on the production felt that the skin-color based casting to match a nazi-aesthetic was a little weird in 2019. Again, it seems like this trilogy just overall lacked a visually consistent idea. Instead they just changed things along the way.

    I think a better idea would have been to just have a diverse First Order from the beginning. They could also have made the First Order less Empire-like and given it a different aesthetic, but instead they chose to stay nostalgic.
    Last edited by Chrisss Nofff; 02-06-2020, 09:11 PM.

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  • Waidmann
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    Maybe I'm paranoid, but what bothered me about the movie (which I actually enjoyed overall) was the stupid cosmopolitan-social message behind it. Allmost all the good ones were "colourfull people", hoping on strangers to spontaniously helping their comrads in need, whilst fighting the bad men who were all white men. Com'on people!

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  • Snake
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    Originally posted by Chrisss Nofff View Post

    I also disliked how they handled the Leia scenes. They used deleted scenes from the previous films, and simply worked it into the dialogue. The whole thing is strange to look at. I really think they just should have re-cast a different actress.
    A-fucking-men.

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  • Chrisss Nofff
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    Originally posted by Snake View Post
    It is:

    1) An apology for the last jedi.
    2) A frivolous and esperate checklist of things pandering to fanboys
    3) A pile of Sith

    I am glad that I ain't no star wars fans. I would probably way more angry than I ever was at Rammstein.
    The first two points on your list, I highly agree with.


    It's strange how I ended up enjoying "The Force Awakens" the most, from the three new movies. "The Last Jedi" was still somewhat a good movie, but it was a terrible sequel. Last Jedi really is what broke this trilogy. To be honest, the only thing that happens in episode 8, is that Snoke and Luke die. Other than that, all the characters end up in the same place, and have developed the same way, In addition, all of our main characters have been seperated, which means they have not formed any interesting relationships or conflicts.

    So for "Rise of Skywalker", JJ Abrahams more or less had to come up with a story that somehow ties this trilogy together.

    The main story for episode 9 really sounds like what a hardcore Star Wars-fan would have come up with. The idea of bringing back Palpatine, and having Star Destroyers with mini-Death Star cannons, is such a un-creative and strange choice, but its really the only thing they could have done in order to build up a threatining villain.


    The movie is saved by JJ Abrahams being a good action/sci-fi director. But honestly, I think I wouldn't recommed to see this film unless you want to know how this trilogy ends. I also disliked how they handled the Leia scenes. They used deleted scenes from the previous films, and simply worked it into the dialogue. The whole thing is strange to look at. I really think they just should have re-cast a different actress.

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  • Snake
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    It is:

    1) An apology for the last jedi.
    2) A frivolous and esperate checklist of things pandering to fanboys
    3) A pile of Sith

    I am glad that I ain't no star wars fans. I would probably way more angry than I ever was at Rammstein.
    Last edited by Snake; 12-31-2019, 12:38 AM.

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  • Chrisss Nofff
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    Any thoughts on "Rise of Skywalker"?

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  • Art in Heaven
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    MarryAcatS, did you enjoy the movie or not?

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  • Snake
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    ^You must have grown up really fast, since this movie came out less than 8 mounths ago.

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  • Francisca Ficklin
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    I grew up with this movie but I was never really a fan.

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  • Bellflavor
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    I haven't watched all Star Wars episodes but this Force Awakens has a great action so far and a good film.

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  • Waidmann
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    ^I didn't like the fan reactions at all. Especially not Plinkett's who gives arguments by showing elements form other movies, while I could immediately give several arguments for the opposite. And sometimes he doesn't even give arguments at all for his opinions, or says things that I even consider entierly wrong (like saying Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon don't really care about their mission? Why the hell would you say think that? I see nothing that implies that!).

    But this is just me. I really don't like negativity, in the way that I can only justify it if the arguments are legit. Otherwise it's just hateful nonsensical bashing, destroying for the sake of destroying, not to mention the Rammstein-haters who circum-jerk each other of without caring to tell why.

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  • Chrisss Nofff
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    Despite the fact that I defend the prequels mostly (especially "Revenge of the Sith"), I have always LOVED the fan reactions. The thing is "Star Wars" fans are often so passionate, that whenever they attack or defend something, it's often in a quite dramatic manner. Doug Walker (aka. "The Nostalgia Critic") said that the most entertaining thing about "The Phantom Menace" was the way people reacted to it. The bashing or the defending was always taking VERY seriously by both sides.

    When it comes to the legendary RedLetterMedia reviews from Mr Plinkett, I think I have seen them all actually. You can't even call these videos "reviews" anymore. They are more like "minute-for-minute"-dissections of the prequels. I love these videos, but they are just not THAT rewatchable since they are al most as long as the movies themselves. I have seen the "Revenge of the Sith"-review once or twice though. I can find it entertaining, even when I in the end still disagree with most of it and enjoy the movies.

    PS: If you are watching the "EP III: Revenge of the Sith"-review, stay away from minute 35:18 (might cause some long-term trauma )
    Last edited by Chrisss Nofff; 01-04-2016, 06:56 PM.

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  • Snake
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    Ep. III:

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  • Snake
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    Ep. II:

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  • Snake
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    Given that we are debating wether or not the prequels are any good, I invite everybody to watch this epic Plinkett review of Ep. I:

    Last edited by Snake; 01-03-2016, 02:14 AM.

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