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FORUM RULES ABOUT WEB-BASED LINKS TO MUSIC AND VIDEO'S

Based on latest discussions on this forum, and studiing copyright laws, it is necessary to state out new forum mandatory rules, effective immediately, so, here we are.

LINKS TO MUSIC & VIDEOS: what is legal/what is not.
NEW RULES in the forum state:

From now on in our forum users shal NOT POST TOPICS THAT containin the following :
• Requests for or links to MP3s, music videos, or other files of questionable legality
• Bootlegs

So, please do not POST A LINK TO music or videos which does not directly originate from an officially legal site.

An OFFICIALLY LEGAL SITE is: rammstein.com or rammstein.de, universal music, a legitimate music site like MTV or VIVA. The links must be direct and linked only to the approved site. Any links which have copied and transferred the music or videos from an official legal site to ANYWHERE else are NOT OFFICIAL.

• Do not ASK FOR A LINK to music or videos. If there is a legal site for either listening or viewing, xTERNAL will provide the information in the NEWS section of www.RAMMSTEIN-EUROPE.com.

WHAT YOU CAN DO in the forums: You can DISCUSS a new song or a new video.

WHAT YOU CANNOT DO in the forums: provide illegal links or ask for links, give directions of any kind as to where something might be found (examples: file-sharing, other fansites, etc.). Screen caps will be allowed (within reason) AFTER a video has been made available through an OFFICIAL LEGAL LINK. Fan remixes of songs will be allowed (within reason) after the song has been officially released.

The above restrictions are necessary not because we are being “damn babies” or “. The reason is simply that RAMMSTEIN-EUROPE has made the decision to not be a facilitator of illegal activities involving copyrighted material. The reason for that is also clear. Rammstein’s Management has shown aggressive behaviour in combating copyright infringement.

Anyone who violates the spirit of the aforementioned expansion/explanation of what the RULES mean here as applied to music and videos (and this also includes the "making of videos") will meet up with one of the following consequences:

POST BLOCKED, LINK ERASED AND WORSE.... BANNED IF NECESSARY.

If you have ANY questions about what may or may not be acceptable here, you can always PM a Moderator and ask first before posting something that might get you in trouble here.

•any links to www.youtube.com (or other sharing sites of a similar nature)are generally not allowed.
While some videos like fan made items or spoof animations are allowed, we do not allow linking to youtube. Oftentimes there is/are illegal videos of Rammstein performances to the side of the linked videos. Actual Rammstein Videos which are very illegal to be hosted by that site - therefore we cannot allow links to youtube to be allowed.

So, links to youtube are now allowed - ONLY IF it is a fanmade video by you, and does not contain bootleg footage or footage of live performances or released performances. Stills from photos found on the net are OK. A montage is OK. Clips of released footage are NOT OK.

Please try to understand that sometimes while we may allow a certain individuals fanmade videos, and deny another persons it is usually because the content in it could get the forums in trouble.

Also if some individuals post their fanmade video and it turns out to be bootleg footage that they filmed themselves at a concert and consider that "fanmade" - then we will have to reverse the ruling on allowing fanmade videos PERIOD!

Here is an update on what is considered "fanmade".
Fanmade is fanmade. You did it yourself. Like cut and paste. You creatd everything yourself. No footage filmed by someone else no clips. Still images are OK.
For example:
If you go out and find 6 banana slugs in the yard, dress them up in LAB outfits, and put the skinniest one in a paper boat and play the music to SEEMANN on a kazoo. That is fanmade.

If you have a coverband and you do your own video or you have footage of YOUR band's performance. That is fanmade.

If you have images that you sketched of how you think the video for a song should have been and you put it to music - I think we can allow that.

Use your creativity.

IF YOU SEE VIOLATION OF THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, REPORT IT BY USING THE EXCLAMATION MARK IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER OF RELEVANT POST.


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  • #1

    Rammstein against resellers

    Rammstein has published in their web page, a post warning posible problems if you buy tickets to resellers. The note is in german.
    Here is the link:
    http://www.rammstein.de/news/aufruf/

    Google Translation...

    CALL
    Due to the ever more pervasive commercial trade with Rammstein tickets at inflated prices, let us now turn directly to you. There are a number of commercial traders who want to enrich themselves at your expense. The band Rammstein would like this activity, so far it is possible to stop it. We do not agree, that fans of the live experience is made more difficult because large retailers buy crafty cards and these stocks at vastly inflated prices (some 200 - 600% above the original price) resell.
    To prevent this activity, we need YOUR help!
    You can thus support us:
    Please report to us all continue to resellers, large amounts of maps on the Web. Should you purchase tickets from resellers already have (eg through auction houses or ticket exchanges), it helps us greatly if you apply yourself directly to us with problems. Write to us via email ([email protected]) your experience and / or problems with the purchase of such tickets. We will investigate all allegations and try to help where we can. Each is valuable and brings us a step further.
    At this point, once again an urgent note to all fans: Those who buy tickets on commercial resellers Rammstein is in danger to get to the concert on their premises. The tickets are personalized. Request re-personalization of commercial traders are not met. We will check every ticket and prevent discrepancies in the admission to the concert.
    Please remember also that invalid tickets from unauthorized traders are put into circulation and resold.
    You should be so unsure if your ticket is valid, talk please email us. It could happen otherwise, that you pay a lot of money for tickets and be dismissed from the hall door.
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  • #2
    Thats very cool on their part to make this appeal, but they should ahve also posted an english translation.
    "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

    - Raymond M. Smullyan

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    • #3
      I agree, most people probably wouldn´t try to translate.

      Rammstein Mexico has published a spanish version. http://www.rammstein.com.mx/home/not...boletos-falsos

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      • #4
        Here is a translation from Nicole McPherson:

        Originally posted by Nicole McPherson
        Due to the ever more widespread commercial trade with Rammstein tickets at inflated prices, we are now turning to you. There are a number of commercial traders who want to enhance their wealth at your expense. The band Rammstein wants to stop as much of this activity as possible. We do not agree with the fact that fans have difficulties experiencing the band live, because big retailers buy large quantities of tickets, and then re-sell them at extremely inflated prices (some 200 - 600% above the original price).

        To prevent these activites, we need YOUR help!

        This is how you can support us:

        Please report all resellers that distribute large amounts of tickets on the internet to us. If you have al-ready purchased a ticket through a reseller (eg through auction houses or ticket exchanges), it helps us greatly if you contact us directly with any problems. Write about your experience and/or problems with such purchases to us via email ([email protected]​). We will investigate all allegations and try to help where it is possible for us. Every mail is valuable and brings us a step further.

        And once again an urgent note to all fans: Those who buy tickets from commercial resellers to Rammstein concerts are in danger of being denied entrance. The tickets are personalized. Requests of name change from commercial traders are not met. We will check every ticket to prevent discrepancies in the admission to the concert. If you are not sure that your ticket is valid, please email us. If you don’t, you could end up being denied entrance at the venue, after spending a lot of money for the tickets. That would make us very unhappy.

        Please remember also that invalid tickets from unauthorized traders are put into circulation and resold. To get the best protection from invalid ticets or problems with incorrect personalized tickets is to buy tickets over the Rammstein Ticket Shop (rammsteinshop.com). For the concerts in Germany this is the sole legitimate ticket agency and it is the only place where you can buy tickets without any doubts as to the authenticity of the tickets.
        "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

        - Raymond M. Smullyan

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        • #5
          Now the question is: if the management knows, tickets are reselling at 200-600 % of original price, why the hell they do not increase the original price? They would keep all the revenues for themselves and the concerts would still be sold out. All other bands know that they can increase the price of tickets if the demand price is much higher than supply price. Have they ever read any economic books comparing margin price / utility and supply / demand? For the band management the priority number one shall be increasing of revenues, isn't it?

          Now imagine yourslef: you have 300 Euro available for that concert. But another asshole will buy it just for 50 EUR. Then he will sell it to you with a margin of 250. Instead of supporting your band by 300, you will give 250 to that asshole.

          If this would be one case, it would be OK. But nowadays this is a trend. Most of the people are willing to spend more on tickets, comparing margin utility to margin cost.

          Pilgrim management, I advise you, I advise you to increase price of the tickets. Everything will go more smoothly, your servers will not be down during ticket launch, there will be no ticket resellers and the band will have more money for fireworks.

          Now your opinion...
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          • #6
            ^But if the band itself rises the prices, doesn't that make the resellers rise their even more?
            "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

            - Raymond M. Smullyan

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            • #7
              Not really - let me remind you of all the people standing in front of the arena selling below the original price - if they buy tickets directly from Pilgrim for 500 EUR, nobody would buy it for 600 - and this is why there would be no reselling. Everything is just about balancing the price. And now it is JUST TOO LOW. You can not have the same price now and ten years ago (calculating inflation and so one). The band is more famous ...
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              • #8
                If Mandonna was for 10 EUR, I would buy 10 000 tickets and resell them. If for 200 EUR, I would buy just one for me - now you understand?
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                • #9
                  ^Gotcha. It makes thing more expenssive and pontentially less profitable for the resellers. But that would make fans angry at pilgrim managment, since they would have to pay more no matter what.
                  "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

                  - Raymond M. Smullyan

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                  • #10
                    Imagine you have 100 000 willing to go to the concert for 50 EUR. But the capacity of the stadium is 15 000. Will you sell 15 000 tickets for 50 EUR? No, because there is 70 000 people willing to buy it for 70 EUR, 50 000 for 80 EUR, 15 000 for 150 EUR (this is an example). So what you do is that you set the price to such a level you sell out all seats for a maximum price. And yes, those 15 000 will be happy, because they can afford it and will buy it. And the rest of the people who can not afford it? They will stay home. If you want to buy Ferrari, they will not sell it cheaper, just because there is 1.000.000 fans somewhere outside...
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                    • #11
                      I would like to know which is the porcentage of the ticket resellers, there are a lot of fans that have bought tickets and maybe if they increase the price they could´t buy them. And what about young fans? Sure most of their parents shouldn´t pay for the tickets. And I agree with Snake, I think that if R+ rises the prices, the resellers will rise then even more...

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                      • #12
                        They are keeping the prices down, because they want to have this "sold out in ten minutes" image
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                        • #13
                          This is a business, if they think they could sell all the tickets more expensive, they will incresase the price.

                          Note:Talking about Madonna, last time she came to Madrid she didn´t sell all the tickets.

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                          • #14
                            I only just managed to get tickets as it is, I'm screwed if they prices even more :/
                            DENN DU BIST, WAS DU ISST.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Maya View Post
                              I would like to know which is the porcentage of the ticket resellers, there are a lot of fans that have bought tickets and maybe if they increase the price they could´t buy them. And what about young fans? Sure most of their parents shouldn´t pay for the tickets. And I agree with Snake, I think that if R+ rises the prices, the resellers will rise then even more...
                              Sure - i'm this kid ^^ but i pay for the tickets myself, and even if the prices were 150€ i would buy the tickets at once! Rammstein is too good to miss them because of my parents even if they wouldn't let me go, i would slip out of my house at night and go there by train, but fortunately, my father is picking me and my friend up there

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