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FORUM RULES ABOUT WEB-BASED LINKS TO MUSIC AND VIDEO'S

Based on latest discussions on this forum, and studiing copyright laws, it is necessary to state out new forum mandatory rules, effective immediately, so, here we are.

LINKS TO MUSIC & VIDEOS: what is legal/what is not.
NEW RULES in the forum state:

From now on in our forum users shal NOT POST TOPICS THAT containin the following :
• Requests for or links to MP3s, music videos, or other files of questionable legality
• Bootlegs

So, please do not POST A LINK TO music or videos which does not directly originate from an officially legal site.

An OFFICIALLY LEGAL SITE is: rammstein.com or rammstein.de, universal music, a legitimate music site like MTV or VIVA. The links must be direct and linked only to the approved site. Any links which have copied and transferred the music or videos from an official legal site to ANYWHERE else are NOT OFFICIAL.

• Do not ASK FOR A LINK to music or videos. If there is a legal site for either listening or viewing, xTERNAL will provide the information in the NEWS section of www.RAMMSTEIN-EUROPE.com.

WHAT YOU CAN DO in the forums: You can DISCUSS a new song or a new video.

WHAT YOU CANNOT DO in the forums: provide illegal links or ask for links, give directions of any kind as to where something might be found (examples: file-sharing, other fansites, etc.). Screen caps will be allowed (within reason) AFTER a video has been made available through an OFFICIAL LEGAL LINK. Fan remixes of songs will be allowed (within reason) after the song has been officially released.

The above restrictions are necessary not because we are being “damn babies” or “. The reason is simply that RAMMSTEIN-EUROPE has made the decision to not be a facilitator of illegal activities involving copyrighted material. The reason for that is also clear. Rammstein’s Management has shown aggressive behaviour in combating copyright infringement.

Anyone who violates the spirit of the aforementioned expansion/explanation of what the RULES mean here as applied to music and videos (and this also includes the "making of videos") will meet up with one of the following consequences:

POST BLOCKED, LINK ERASED AND WORSE.... BANNED IF NECESSARY.

If you have ANY questions about what may or may not be acceptable here, you can always PM a Moderator and ask first before posting something that might get you in trouble here.

•any links to www.youtube.com (or other sharing sites of a similar nature)are generally not allowed.
While some videos like fan made items or spoof animations are allowed, we do not allow linking to youtube. Oftentimes there is/are illegal videos of Rammstein performances to the side of the linked videos. Actual Rammstein Videos which are very illegal to be hosted by that site - therefore we cannot allow links to youtube to be allowed.

So, links to youtube are now allowed - ONLY IF it is a fanmade video by you, and does not contain bootleg footage or footage of live performances or released performances. Stills from photos found on the net are OK. A montage is OK. Clips of released footage are NOT OK.

Please try to understand that sometimes while we may allow a certain individuals fanmade videos, and deny another persons it is usually because the content in it could get the forums in trouble.

Also if some individuals post their fanmade video and it turns out to be bootleg footage that they filmed themselves at a concert and consider that "fanmade" - then we will have to reverse the ruling on allowing fanmade videos PERIOD!

Here is an update on what is considered "fanmade".
Fanmade is fanmade. You did it yourself. Like cut and paste. You creatd everything yourself. No footage filmed by someone else no clips. Still images are OK.
For example:
If you go out and find 6 banana slugs in the yard, dress them up in LAB outfits, and put the skinniest one in a paper boat and play the music to SEEMANN on a kazoo. That is fanmade.

If you have a coverband and you do your own video or you have footage of YOUR band's performance. That is fanmade.

If you have images that you sketched of how you think the video for a song should have been and you put it to music - I think we can allow that.

Use your creativity.

IF YOU SEE VIOLATION OF THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, REPORT IT BY USING THE EXCLAMATION MARK IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER OF RELEVANT POST.


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  • #31
    Originally posted by Xendar View Post
    Well, the category of the Rare Live songs, as I understood, is for the songs that were rarely preformed live, in there is only one known recording of it being preformed.
    Unless you had a different definition in your mind. :P
    I had a different definition in my mind indeed , and it's quite logic to misunderstand as I never really explained that title properly. It's about songs that aren't very known and practically never played either; with the result of a song that's in some way nowhere to be found except for a (few) live performance(s). Das Modell was indeed played in America, but it's very near the album version, so I didn't categorize it there. It's only special that they played it, the performance itself isn't special, isn't "rare" in that way, if you follow. It's the logic of my twisted brain, I should think about an alternative name for it maybe.
    Dort wo der Horizont
    Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
    Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
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    • #32
      ^I understood Rare Live Songs the same way as Xendar. Maybe you should call it Rare Live Versions?

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      • #33
        ^ I agree with Rose, it may prevent more confusions in the future.
        And speaking of Rare Live Versions, would you add Alter Mann live 1994 version?
        It sure is very different than the one on the Sehnsucht album.
        Even though I know the song already appears in another category.
        Last edited by Xendar; 01-18-2016, 04:03 PM.
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        • #34
          ^Reasonable comments, so I changed it . Note that of course the categrories here are hard to make (but I have to make them, otherwise it's all chaos) and sometimes there's only a thin line between several types. For now I left the Alter Mann 1994 where it is; I'll thin about it later and maybe copy it to another place.

          Fun to see that the Wikipedia page seems to have copied several things from here .
          Dort wo der Horizont
          Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
          Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
          Auf das du mich dort findest

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          • #35
            By the way I just noticed you forgot to add Feuer Frei,Zwitter and 5/4 demos.


            Edit:
            According to GEMA database:
            Links was called Mein Herz Schlägt Links.
            Feuer Frei is called Punk.
            Zwitter is called Flake - Blues.
            Die Geburt is the demo version of 5/4. (But not sure 100% if that was the working title back then)
            Adios is called Tod Hat Ein Gesicht.
            Last edited by Xendar; 01-19-2016, 10:33 PM.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Xendar View Post
              By the way I just noticed you forgot to add Feuer Frei,Zwitter and 5/4 demos.


              Edit:
              According to GEMA database:
              Links was called Mein Herz Schlägt Links.
              Feuer Frei is called Punk.
              Zwitter is called Flake - Blues.
              Die Geburt is the demo version of 5/4. (But not sure 100% if that was the working title back then)
              Adios is called Tod Hat Ein Gesicht.
              So far I never heard of any of these ! I'll look them up and make additions where necessary (and I'll keep you posted with what I altered). Thx in advance !
              Dort wo der Horizont
              Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
              Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
              Auf das du mich dort findest

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              • #37
                ^
                http://www.feuerrader.pl/forum/topic/687/page/28
                This is the Polish fan site, and if you'd scroll down you will find the exact list I was talking about which was in Russian.
                I actually tried to figure out how they managed to get this information from GEMA, I even registered there.
                I haven't been able to understand how this site works yet.
                But will look into it more that's for sure!
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Xendar View Post
                  ^
                  http://www.feuerrader.pl/forum/topic/687/page/28
                  This is the Polish fan site, and if you'd scroll down you will find the exact list I was talking about which was in Russian.
                  I actually tried to figure out how they managed to get this information from GEMA, I even registered there.
                  I haven't been able to understand how this site works yet.
                  But will look into it more that's for sure!
                  I don't seem to understand much of this site XD! It's all in.. well..eh Polish, I guess? Not much to do for me there .
                  Dort wo der Horizont
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                  Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
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                  • #39
                    Absynth
                    Unreleased track. Deleted from the GEMA database.
                    Flake uses a software synthesizer from Native Instruments called "Absynth"

                    Alter Mann Demo
                    Extract in "Achtung! Wir kommen"

                    Amour Demo
                    (GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 8138066-001)
                    Different lyrics

                    Ankara (05:29)
                    Demo version of "Zerstören".
                    It's just a speech with a music box in the background.
                    (Like the ending of the final song)

                    Blutige Risse
                    Another version of Feuerräder.
                    Listed in the GEMA database.
                    (GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 4017330-001)

                    Boxer / Klitschko
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236887-001
                    Demo version of "Sonne".
                    It was planned as entrance music for the boxer Wladimir Klitschko

                    Bringer (05:17)
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 3796022-001
                    The demo version of Bett in Flammen

                    Claudia (03:55)
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236881-001

                    Dalai Lama Demo (04:20)
                    Shorter demo version
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 8138083-001

                    Die Geburt (05:30)
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236890-001
                    Demo version of 5/4

                    Eisenmann
                    Yeah, not a rare recording anymore.
                    Unreleased song from the Reise, Reise recordings.
                    A mixture between Benzin and LIFAD.

                    Flake-Blues (03:05)
                    Demo version of Zwitter
                    Listed in the GEMA database
                    (GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236885-001)

                    Frühling in Paris versions
                    There were different versions mentioned in some interviews.
                    There's a version with heavy guitars and an Electro Pop version.

                    Hin und her
                    Deleted from the GEMA database.
                    Could refer to "Hilf mir".

                    Holz
                    Unreleased song. Deleted from the GEMA database.

                    Ich bin (03:56)
                    Demo version of Te Quiero Puta
                    with German lyrics.
                    The chorus would be:
                    Ich bin ergeben, so ergeben
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 8138069-001

                    Ich sehe was (03:00)
                    Probably the demo version of "Moskau".
                    Has a connection to the demo song "Claudia"
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236889-001

                    Ich war mit dir
                    Demo version of Spiel mit mir.
                    Different lyrics and they used the Sonne riff in the chorus
                    Listed in the GEMA database
                    (GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 4017332-001)

                    Intro Live Audio (02:04)
                    Maybe an instrumental track
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 9727637-001

                    Jeder lacht
                    There's the Saalfeld version and a short 01:44 version.
                    It's listed in the GEMA database with 04:30
                    (GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 4017326-001)

                    Letzter Kuss (04:54)
                    Demo version of "Nebel".
                    It has the guitar riff of "Ein Lied".
                    (GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236888-001)

                    LIFAD Demos
                    There are many leaks of all LIFAD songs.
                    Even multiple and instrumental ones.
                    And there are some very interesting ones like
                    Augen zu (Mixture between LIFAD and Wiener Blut lyrics with a very Eurodance-like
                    keyboard solo), the more electronic version of "Mehr" - where
                    Schneider recorded the drums to, an completely English version of Pussy,
                    and a slow gothic rock-like version of Pussy with very stupid English lyrics.

                    Los (Plugged version)
                    There's a heavy version of Los, which was planned for the rejected Los single.
                    They played a bit of it during live concerts.



                    Mein Herz schlägt links (03:42)
                    Demo version of "Links 2-3-4".
                    It has different lyrics and a Reggae-like guitar part
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236896-001

                    Mein Land
                    Four known leaks.
                    Short version with LIFAD-like keyboard solo.
                    Longer version with outro and string solo.
                    A short and very heavy version with choir and odd strings.
                    And an instrumental version.

                    Nein (04:23)
                    Demo version of Mein Teil

                    Punk (03:0?)
                    Demo version of Feuer frei!
                    Different lyrics: Es brennt, getadelt wird wer Schmerzen kennt
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236900-001

                    Reise, Reise (Demo) 04:50
                    The song starts with "Auch auf den Wellen wird gefochten"
                    instead of "Auf dem Wasser wird gefochten".

                    Roter Sand (Another version)
                    Yes, there's even another version of Roter Sand.
                    You've got the demo version, the album version, the orchestral version and the Liese version.
                    And there's another one, somewhere mentioned in an interview.

                    Sandmann (04:20)
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236878-001
                    Demo version of Mein Herz brennt with different lyrics

                    Schenk Mir was
                    Unreleased song

                    Seid bereit (04:10)
                    Demo version of "Wiener Blut" with different effects and intro (strange clockworks,
                    weird piano parts, Olli plays slap bass).
                    The chorus has a very technoid main lead (like the keyboard solo during the live version).
                    But there's also a song from the Mutter era with the same title.
                    It has the lines "Wartet auf die Antwort, seid bereit"
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236873-001

                    Schwarzes Glas
                    It's listed in the GEMA database with 04:45
                    (GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 4017328-001)
                    There's also a 1996 version with the Eifersucht riff, different electronic parts and
                    different lyrics.

                    Schwuhla (03:51)
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236876-001
                    Demo version of "Mann gegen Mann" from the Mutter era.


                    Sonntag bei Omi
                    Unreleased song. Deleted from the GEMA database.
                    Could refer to Lindemann's Messer poem "Großmutter".
                    Paul mentioned a song which is too heavy and gross - even for
                    a Rammstein release. He's probably referring to this one.

                    Spring weiter / Spring Jungle (03:55)
                    Part "Spring demo", part unreleased song
                    Das Tanzen und das singen Wärmt so fein das Herz das kühle
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 8138080-001

                    Stirb nicht vor mir (Bobo version)
                    There's a full studio version with complete German lyrics and Bobo as a guest singer.

                    Student
                    Unreleased song. Deleted from the GEMA database.
                    Paul stated this song was the demo version of "Benzin".
                    First verse or chorus was "Alle bleiben stehen, alle wollen es sehen".

                    Tod hat ein Gesicht (03:51)
                    GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 5236898-001
                    Demo version of "Adios" with different lyrics.

                    Tier (Demo)
                    Well known from the Saalfeld bootleg.
                    Soundcheck for the background vocals in "Achtung! Wir kommen"

                    Mutter (Orchester Version) and Ohne dich (Orchester Version)
                    The Orchester Version of Mutter was played as outro during the 2002 Mutter tour.
                    It's probably a track of the rejected "Mutter Orchester Album".
                    An orchestral version of Ohne dich was played as an outro during some LIFAD concerts.

                    - Note: I am not sure how accurate all of this information is, but it's pretty damn interesting.
                    Last edited by Xendar; 01-22-2016, 11:04 PM.
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                    • #40
                      Many thanks for this!

                      I'll double check some of these and make some additions for sure . The things mentionned in interviews I might very well find, other things too.
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                      Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
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                      • #41
                        Haha yeah you've got some more material to go through, I might also help you with the organizing.
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                        • #42
                          Ok, I made a lot of changes! I verified all the contributions and added the stuff about which I find confirmation elsewhere that it should be right. Some things are a bit of speculation, but if so, I mentionned that in the list. As I was searching I found out some other things as well and they were also included.
                          I had to split up the post in two, because it now had too many characters. Luckily the second post on this thread was mine as well, so I could use it too post the rest .

                          Many thanks for all the information!
                          Dort wo der Horizont
                          Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
                          Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
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                          • #43
                            Oh wow, you've made it!
                            You overcame the laziness and added it!
                            This is a great thread that summarizes all the demos, and glad I was here to help!
                            And yes, that is true that some of the information appeared there seems like an opinion rather than a verified information.
                            By the way, you have added Schuwlah under MUTTER (from live demos 2000).
                            Also, there is also Flugangst in the Reise Reise.
                            Either way, I am already content with this post, you've done a great job!
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                            • #44
                              ^Hehe, thx! Well, that Schwulah dates from the Mutter period, that's why I put it there. Might not be clear to people who are looking for it though. It's still not perfect, I'll alter some things, but this was already one hell of a job !

                              I'll add the Los (full band version) now. I just heard it for the first time and I think it's really jaw-dropping great!
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                              Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Waidmann View Post
                                ^Hehe, thx! Well, that Schwulah dates from the Mutter period, that's why I put it there. Might not be clear to people who are looking for it though. It's still not perfect, I'll alter some things, but this was already one hell of a job !

                                I'll add the Los (full band version) now. I just heard it for the first time and I think it's really jaw-dropping great!
                                Ohhh really?
                                Haha I remember the first time hearing the full band version, especially this new chorus, is simply fantastic.
                                And also, I think it's a better idea if you would create another category for mutter studio demos, this may clear up some more confusions in the future, but of course, in your spare time.
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