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If you have images that you sketched of how you think the video for a song should have been and you put it to music - I think we can allow that.

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    This thread contains a list of Rammstein music beyond their current studio albums. Feel free to add or correct anything displayed here in a reply and I'll edit this post. All serious contributions are welcome.
    I've made this thread to inform everyone about what R+ music is around. Most of the titles on the list can be found on youtube or elsewhere on the web.


    Singles and B-sides
    • Stripped (cover Depeche Mode - a slightly longer version can be found on the Depeche Mode tribute album For the masses and on some editions of the Sehnsucht-album)
    • Das Modell (cover Kraftwerk)
    • Kokain (B-side Das Modell)
    • Alter Mann (special version with female vocals) (B-side Das Modell)
    • Feuerräder (Engel Fan edition + 2007 bootleg "Kein Engel")
    • Wilder Wein (Engel Fan edition + 2007 bootleg "Kein Engel") + enhanced version on the B-side of Amerika
    • Halleluja (B-side Links 234 / Mutter limited edition)
    • Pet Semetary (B-side Ich Will, cover Ramones, live performance with Flake doing vocals)
    • 5/4 (B-side Mutter + 2007 bootleg "Kein Engel")
    • Mein Land
    • Vergiss uns nicht (B-side Mein Land)
    • Mein Herz Brennt - piano version
    • Gib Mir Deine Augen (B-side Mein Herz Brennt – piano version)
    • Los [full band version] (non-accoustic, longer version of the song with even extra verses; was only released on the "XXI - The Vinyl Box Set")



    Unreleased demos
    • Jeder lacht (unreleased 1994 demo - some of its lyrics were reused for Adios. There's the Saalfeld version and a short 01:44 version)
    • Schwarzes Glas (unreleased 1994 demo; There's also a 1996 version with the Eifersucht riff, different electronic parts and different lyrics)
    • Eisenmann (unreleased 2007 (?) - by some unofficials claimed to be a left-over from the Rosenrot period. It apeared online in the end of 2010 as a result of an unsuccesfull demo trade, as claimed by unofficials)
    • [Biest] (officially untitled track - A bootlegger dubbed this song as "Biest". Most fans postulate that this is an early demo of Tier due to the similarities in the lyrics during the chorus. The overall meaning of the song differs however)
    • Hallelujah (Demo Halleluja [note the removal of the letter 'h' in the finalized track name] This demo version differs a bit from the actual in that it doesn't have an ambient effect during the intro section, and that the bass line in the last verse is different. The demo version (Hallelujah) was featured in the Resident Evil official soundtrack and also made an appearance as a secret track after a few minutes of silence at the end of the Japanese edition of "Mutter".)



    Early and alternative versions

    HERZELEID (mostly from the studio demos 1994)
    • Bringer (demo Wollt ihr das Bett in Flammen sehen; even after the demo fase, this song turned up on setlists under this name)
    • Fleisch (demo Weisses Fleisch)
    • Der Riecher (demo Du Riechst So Gut)
    • Demo Seemann / Komm in mein Boot (one of the demos is much longer than the end version and includes a verse section with whistling for vocals)
    • Hallo, Hallo [version 1] (demo Das Alte Leid, also known under the title "New Industries")
    • Hallo, Hallo [version 2] (demo Das Alte Leid, much closer to the final version) (a demo of Rammstein and Laichzeit can also be found, but they resemble the final version very much)
    • Demo Heirate Mich / Kinski (the structure of the song is quite different and the main riff is not the same)
    • Demo Alter Mann / Die Zeit / Das Wasser soll dein Spiegel sein (with very different keyboards, much slower and longer with more riffs; Till sings in a very low parlando-voice)
    • Blutige Risse (alternative version of Feuerräder)

      Note: several of these songs had English versions that were never released. Sometimes some show up on the web (like "Matrose", an English version of Seemann)


    SEHNSUCHT (Mostly from live demos 1995 - 1996)
    • Afrika / Sehnsucht (1995 version of Sehnsucht with less keyboards, lyrics about 50% similar to the final song and a different structure)
    • Sehnsucht - 1996 version (early version of Sehnsucht with similar lyrics, though different structure, chorus, keyboards etc.)
    • Engel (English version) (aka Angel in the booklet – US version of Sehnsucht)
    • Demo Du Hast (it exists and sometimes apears on the web, but most leaks of it are quickly removed by music labels / managements due to violation of author rights)
    • Du Hast (English version) (aka You Hate in the booklet – US version of Sehnsucht)
    • Demo Spiel Mit Mir (this had different live versions in 1996)
    • Ich was mit dir (Demo version of Spiel mit mir. Different lyrics and they used the Sonne riff in the chorus)



    MUTTER (from live demos 2000)
    • Sandmann (demo Mein Herz Brennt)
    • Links (demo Links 2-3-4)
    • Mein Herz schlägt links (other Demo version of "Links 2-3-4". It has different lyrics and a Reggae-like guitar part)
    • Die Geburt (demo version of 5/4)
    • Klitschko / Der Boxer (Sonne demo - In this version, the first chorus consists only of a count up to 10, without the lyrics "Hier kommt die Sonne"; It was planned as entrance music for the boxer Wladimir Klitschko)
    • Punk (Demo version of Feuer frei! . Different lyrics: „Es brennt, getadelt wird wer Schmerzen kennt“)
    • Demo Mutter (only difference being the last word of the song. Till says "Oh gib mir Gift!" instead of "Oh gib mir Kraft!")
    • Mutter [orchester version] (The Orchester Version of Mutter was played as outro during the 2002 Mutter tour. It's probably a track of the rejected "Mutter Orchester Album")
    • Demo Spieluhr (with slightly different lyrics mostly in the chorus)
    • Flake-Blues (demo of Zwitter)
    • Demo Rein raus
    • Tod hat ein Gesicht (demo Adios, with much darker lyrics)
    • Letzter Kuss (Demo version of Nebel. It has the guitar riff of "Ein Lied")
    • Demo Ohne Dich (from the year 2000; It is said that the song sounded much like the 'Beta version' on the Ohne dich single)
    • Ohne Dich [orchester version] (An orchestral version of Ohne dich was played as an outro during some LIFAD concerts)
    • Schwula (demo version of Mann gegen Mann already from the Mutter era)



    REISE REISE / ROSENROT STUDIO DEMOS (2002 - 2004)
    • Demo Benzin (without vocals, more rhytmic keyboards)
    • Student (other demo Benzin. Paul stated this song was the demo version of "Benzin".
      First verse or chorus was "Alle bleiben stehen, alle wollen es sehen")
    • Absynth (Unreleased track. Flake uses a software synthesizer from Native Instruments called "Absynth"; this demo might be older, but the first mention of it was shortly after the Reise, Reise period. On the web some tracks can be found with this name containing aspects of Benzin)
    • Spring weiter / Spring Jungle (Part "Spring demo", part unreleased song)
    • Demo Stirb nicht vor mir (unfinished, with alternative lyrics, without female vocals and entirely in german; dates from the Mutter period. Next to this demo there should also be a version with Bobo who sings the English parts in German, but except for Flake’s mentioning in an interview there’s nothing to prove its existence. Flake once mentioned also that an alternative version of the song would be released.)
    • Ankarra (Demo version of "Zerstören". It seems to be a speech with a music box in the background (like the ending of the final song)
    • Hin und her (unsurfaced track; could be a demo or working title of Hilf Mir)
    • Holz / Ahorn (unreleased track)
    • Ich bin (demo version of Te Quiero Puta; with German lyrics. The chorus would be: „Ich bin ergeben, so ergeben“)
    • Sonntag bei Omi (Unreleased song. Could refer to Lindemann's Messer poem"Großmutter".
      Paul mentioned a song which is too heavy and gross - even for a Rammstein release. He might’ve been referring to this one)
    Last edited by Waidmann; 09-04-2018, 10:14 PM.
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    LIEBE IST FÜR ALLE DA DEMOS (2007 - 2009)
    • Ramm-Mix (demo Rammlied with no lyrics for the verses)
    • Legion (Demo Ich tu dir Weh, which uses the bridge that appears in the final version as a filler section for two verses)
    • Waidmann (demo Waidmanns Heil with slightly different lyrics)
    • Demo Haifisch (different drums, different outro and slightly different vocals)
    • (Also: B******** and Mehr and Roter Sand roam on the net, but they resemble the final version very much)
    • Demos Frühling in Paris / Oh No (some different lyrics, mainly the same lyrics in a alternative order - There were different versions mentioned in some interviews.
      There's a version with heavy guitars and an Electro Pop version)
    • Lieben und Sterben / Was ich liebe / Rassmuss (Pussy demo)
    • Panterra / Pantera (complete english version of Pussy; there should also be a gothci, slow-rock version of the song with “stupid” english lyrics)
    • Seid bereit (Wiener Blut demo)
    • Augen zu (demo Liebe ist für alle da with parts of the later Wiener Blut. There's also another demo called Liebe ist für alle da that has a shorter solo)
    • Seid bereit (demo version of Wiener Blut with different effects and intro (strange clockworks, weird piano parts, Olli plays slap bass). The chorus has a very technoid main lead, like the keyboard solo during the live version).
      But there's also a song from the Mutter era with the same title.
      It has the lines "Wartet auf die Antwort, seid bereit"
    • Demos Donaukinder (one instrumental, one that sounds like the final version, yet mixed a bit differently and lacks a guitar solo)
    • Demo Halt (with alternate intro)
    • Demos Mein Land (one instrumental, one with keyboard solo and one beta version)
    • Sirene / Schenk mir was (Gib mir deine Augen demos, varying in length and with a slightly different text)



    Rare Live versions
    • Wilder Wein (guitar version, Berliner Wuhlheide 1998)
    • Pesnja o trevozhnoy molodosti (Song of the restless youth; the original german version was the only Feeling B-song featuring Till Lindemann; it was played live twice in Russia (St. Petersburg and Moscow) during Mutter tour in 2001)
    • Bayern (des samma mia) (Bavarian song by the band Haindling, played by Rammstein at the end of a Munich concert in 2009 and in 2011)


    Featuring Rammstein members (before Rammstein several members were active in other bands, but here only those contributions are listed which actually still can be found nowadays)

    • Lindemann (solo project of Till Lindemann, ft. Peter Tägtgren)
    • Emigrate (solo project of Richard Kruspe)
    • First Arsch (80's band featuring Till Lindemann on vocals)
    • Orgasm Death Gimmick (early 90's band featuring Richard Kruspe)
    • Feeling B (early 90's band featuring Flake, Paul Landers and Schneider)
    • Die Puhdys - Wut will nicht sterben (ft. Till Lindemann as guest singer)
    • Till Lindemann and Richard Kruspe - Schtiel (single made in 2003 for the 100th anniversary of Harley Davidson)
    • Apocalyptica ft. Till Lindemann and Richard Kruspe - Helden (cover of David Bowie as part of a tribute album of 2008)
    • Tool, live @ Big Day Out 2011 (ft. Schneider on drums and Till burning the stage)
    Last edited by Waidmann; 01-27-2016, 02:57 PM.
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    • #3
      Thanks! Its good to have a list all together in one place
      DENN DU BIST, WAS DU ISST.

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      • #4
        I think one of the demos for Pussy was called "Rassmuss", but I could be wrong.

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        • #5
          Great initiative!!!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Wolf View Post
            I think one of the demos for Pussy was called "Rassmuss", but I could be wrong.
            Can't seem to find anything on that, I'm afraid. If you find out something more about that, just let me know. It would be noteworthy, as the Pussy-demos are really interesting.
            Dort wo der Horizont
            Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
            Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
            Auf das du mich dort findest

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Waidmann View Post
              Can't seem to find anything on that, I'm afraid. If you find out something more about that, just let me know. It would be noteworthy, as the Pussy-demos are really interesting.
              This is where I first heard/found it.

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              • #8
                Thx, I'll add it! I'll add some stuff under the "featuring R+ members" as well.
                Dort wo der Horizont
                Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
                Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
                Auf das du mich dort findest

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Waidmann View Post
                  Singles and B-sides
                  - Stripped (cover Depeche Mode)
                  - Das Modell (cover Kraftwerk)
                  - Kokain (B-side Das Modell)
                  - Feuerräder (Engel Fan edition)
                  - Wilder Wein (Engel Fan edition)
                  - Hallelujah (B-side Links 234 / Mutter limited edition)
                  - Pet Semetary (B-side Ich Will, cover Ramones)
                  - 5/4 (B-side Mutter)
                  - Vergiss uns nicht! (B-side Mein Land)
                  - Gib Mir Deine Augen (B-side Mein Herz Brennt – piano version)

                  Early and alternative versions
                  - Angel (english version of Engel – US version of Sehnsucht)
                  - You Hate (english version of Du Hast – US version of Sehnsucht)
                  - Demo Alter Mann
                  - Alter Mann [with backing vocals from Bobo]

                  Rare Live songs
                  - Wilder Wein (guitar version, Berliner Wuhlheide 1998)
                  - Pesnja o trevozhnoy molodosti (Song of the restless youth) (played live in Russia during
                  Mutter tour)
                  A few things to add or clarify:

                  - Stripped on the single is 15 seconds shorter than the For the MASSES and sehnsucht album versions (the instrumental is cut shorter)
                  - Feuerräder (Engel Fan edition) - this is only a Demo Version (listed as "Live Demo Version 1994") and is also available on Ich will DVD)
                  - Wilder Wein (Engel Fan edition) - a final non-demo version was released as the B-side on the Amerika 7" vinyl Single as "Wilder Wein" - pretty much the same but slight bits have been cleaned up
                  - Hallelujah (B-side Links 234 / Mutter limited edition) - proper name is "Halleluja"; "Hallelujah" is only on the US limited edition of Mutter - there are also two versions one has only guitar at intro (available on Resident Evil OST, and the Mutter editions) and the other has a slight organ-like instrument before the guitars at the start (on Links 2-3-4 and Ich will UK CD (green cover))
                  - Pet Semetary (B-side Ich Will, cover Ramones) - maybe clarify this is a live song and no studio version seems to exist (unfortunately)
                  - Vergiss uns nicht does not have an exclamation mark ("!") in the title (now I am being picky lol)

                  - Angel and You Hate seem to be alternate titles to Engel (English Version) and Du hast (English Version) - but I have never seen them listed as these on the cover art though they are listed like this in the booklet.

                  - Alter Mann with Bobo is available on Das Modell Single and is listed as Alter Mann (Special Version)

                  - Wilder Wein - live with acustic style guitars - If you are referring to the one from Live aus Berlin - it is not rare: its on the standard 15 track pressing, and is available on the DVD too - the Limited Edition of Live aus Berlin has it slightly extended.

                  Sorry if this comes across as pretentious - it isnt supposed to be. I mean it constructively and as you say if there is anything of any value for you you will use it. and sorry I have not added anymore demos as I dont "deal" in demos I only deal in officially released material in my collection (I try to avoid promotional items - far too expensive)

                  Though, on that note, there are two Mann gegen Mann Remixes that are sometimes overlooked:
                  "Mann gegen Mann (Type O Remix)" - was available on the Australian Digital Download Version (was track 4 and the Ich will video was not part of this version
                  "Mann gegen Mann (Futurist Remix)" - was promotional only and not part of the MgM releases that the public could buy - thus I dont have it

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by yermawsucks View Post
                    A few things to add or clarify:

                    - Stripped on the single is 15 seconds shorter than the For the MASSES and sehnsucht album versions (the instrumental is cut shorter)
                    - Feuerräder (Engel Fan edition) - this is only a Demo Version (listed as "Live Demo Version 1994") and is also available on Ich will DVD)
                    - Wilder Wein (Engel Fan edition) - a final non-demo version was released as the B-side on the Amerika 7" vinyl Single as "Wilder Wein" - pretty much the same but slight bits have been cleaned up
                    - Hallelujah (B-side Links 234 / Mutter limited edition) - proper name is "Halleluja"; "Hallelujah" is only on the US limited edition of Mutter - there are also two versions one has only guitar at intro (available on Resident Evil OST, and the Mutter editions) and the other has a slight organ-like instrument before the guitars at the start (on Links 2-3-4 and Ich will UK CD (green cover))
                    - Pet Semetary (B-side Ich Will, cover Ramones) - maybe clarify this is a live song and no studio version seems to exist (unfortunately)
                    - Vergiss uns nicht does not have an exclamation mark ("!") in the title (now I am being picky lol)

                    - Angel and You Hate seem to be alternate titles to Engel (English Version) and Du hast (English Version) - but I have never seen them listed as these on the cover art though they are listed like this in the booklet.

                    - Alter Mann with Bobo is available on Das Modell Single and is listed as Alter Mann (Special Version)

                    - Wilder Wein - live with acustic style guitars - If you are referring to the one from Live aus Berlin - it is not rare: its on the standard 15 track pressing, and is available on the DVD too - the Limited Edition of Live aus Berlin has it slightly extended.

                    Sorry if this comes across as pretentious - it isnt supposed to be. I mean it constructively and as you say if there is anything of any value for you you will use it. and sorry I have not added anymore demos as I dont "deal" in demos I only deal in officially released material in my collection (I try to avoid promotional items - far too expensive)

                    Though, on that note, there are two Mann gegen Mann Remixes that are sometimes overlooked:
                    "Mann gegen Mann (Type O Remix)" - was available on the Australian Digital Download Version (was track 4 and the Ich will video was not part of this version
                    "Mann gegen Mann (Futurist Remix)" - was promotional only and not part of the MgM releases that the public could buy - thus I dont have it

                    Thank you for the corrections (and thereby sorry for the mistakes) ! Not many people looked into this thread, but so far it's the most complete list I've seen so far. Any help is welcome, I apreciate yours.

                    Thank you for the additions. I will make things more clear. If you still find things a bit wrong put, don't be shy to comment again!

                    With Wilder Wein being rare I mean it's just one time played live.

                    I don't focus on remixes. I must honestly say I don't care for them and never listened to one. But as Rammstein themselves are now showing their apprecation for them more and more (by releasing the best of of the remixes), I think I'll look into them anyways.
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                    • #11
                      Lol no problem - If you are going to do remixes be prepared there are alot - maybe a new thread for them - but I would stick to official Rammstein endorsed ones as anyone can do a remix (the only unreleased ones I know of are Joe Letz's remixes - which were due for release but in my opinion are going to be on a future release)

                      And I get what you mean by the Wilder Wein rarity now! - and I have one more for rare appearances/songs - the two times that Rammstein have played Bayern de Samma Mia in Munich - the first was an impromptu closer in 2009/10 performed by Paul, Doom, Flake and Oli, the second I think they all did it in 2011/12 - but Im not sure on details

                      And I should have said this when I last posted and I was rude to leave it out:

                      Fantastic list!

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                      • #12
                        ^ Bayern des Samma Mia in Munich was played 23/11/2009 and 22/11/2011

                        And about Joe Letz's remixes:

                        Originally posted by Joe Letz
                        And now that everyone is aware of my involvement in the upcoming RAMMSTEIN tour, some remix news.

                        i have to decided to keep from releasing the remixes i have been and will continue to spin until the completion of the dates. so if you wanna hear em you're gonna have to come to a show :-)

                        i will be adding a few extra remixes to my set and revamping the whole thing, so expect it to be different and to be overall even more exclusive to the upcoming live events than before.

                        please follow all the people who have worked on the remixes with me as they will be the ones releasing them. i will also release both of my past and upcoming remix sets in their entirety as well. :-)

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                        • #13
                          ^Thanks again for the extras! I'll add them to the list!
                          Dort wo der Horizont
                          Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
                          Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
                          Auf das du mich dort findest

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                          • #14
                            I edited the first post with tons of early demos (with informations) + improved the structure a bit.
                            Dort wo der Horizont
                            Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
                            Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
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                            • #15
                              Nice overview! There were a lot of things that I didn't know about. Got to look them up now.

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