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FORUM RULES ABOUT WEB-BASED LINKS TO MUSIC AND VIDEO'S

Based on latest discussions on this forum, and studiing copyright laws, it is necessary to state out new forum mandatory rules, effective immediately, so, here we are.

LINKS TO MUSIC & VIDEOS: what is legal/what is not.
NEW RULES in the forum state:

From now on in our forum users shal NOT POST TOPICS THAT containin the following :
• Requests for or links to MP3s, music videos, or other files of questionable legality
• Bootlegs

So, please do not POST A LINK TO music or videos which does not directly originate from an officially legal site.

An OFFICIALLY LEGAL SITE is: rammstein.com or rammstein.de, universal music, a legitimate music site like MTV or VIVA. The links must be direct and linked only to the approved site. Any links which have copied and transferred the music or videos from an official legal site to ANYWHERE else are NOT OFFICIAL.

• Do not ASK FOR A LINK to music or videos. If there is a legal site for either listening or viewing, xTERNAL will provide the information in the NEWS section of www.RAMMSTEIN-EUROPE.com.

WHAT YOU CAN DO in the forums: You can DISCUSS a new song or a new video.

WHAT YOU CANNOT DO in the forums: provide illegal links or ask for links, give directions of any kind as to where something might be found (examples: file-sharing, other fansites, etc.). Screen caps will be allowed (within reason) AFTER a video has been made available through an OFFICIAL LEGAL LINK. Fan remixes of songs will be allowed (within reason) after the song has been officially released.

The above restrictions are necessary not because we are being “damn babies” or “. The reason is simply that RAMMSTEIN-EUROPE has made the decision to not be a facilitator of illegal activities involving copyrighted material. The reason for that is also clear. Rammstein’s Management has shown aggressive behaviour in combating copyright infringement.

Anyone who violates the spirit of the aforementioned expansion/explanation of what the RULES mean here as applied to music and videos (and this also includes the "making of videos") will meet up with one of the following consequences:

POST BLOCKED, LINK ERASED AND WORSE.... BANNED IF NECESSARY.

If you have ANY questions about what may or may not be acceptable here, you can always PM a Moderator and ask first before posting something that might get you in trouble here.

•any links to www.youtube.com (or other sharing sites of a similar nature)are generally not allowed.
While some videos like fan made items or spoof animations are allowed, we do not allow linking to youtube. Oftentimes there is/are illegal videos of Rammstein performances to the side of the linked videos. Actual Rammstein Videos which are very illegal to be hosted by that site - therefore we cannot allow links to youtube to be allowed.

So, links to youtube are now allowed - ONLY IF it is a fanmade video by you, and does not contain bootleg footage or footage of live performances or released performances. Stills from photos found on the net are OK. A montage is OK. Clips of released footage are NOT OK.

Please try to understand that sometimes while we may allow a certain individuals fanmade videos, and deny another persons it is usually because the content in it could get the forums in trouble.

Also if some individuals post their fanmade video and it turns out to be bootleg footage that they filmed themselves at a concert and consider that "fanmade" - then we will have to reverse the ruling on allowing fanmade videos PERIOD!

Here is an update on what is considered "fanmade".
Fanmade is fanmade. You did it yourself. Like cut and paste. You creatd everything yourself. No footage filmed by someone else no clips. Still images are OK.
For example:
If you go out and find 6 banana slugs in the yard, dress them up in LAB outfits, and put the skinniest one in a paper boat and play the music to SEEMANN on a kazoo. That is fanmade.

If you have a coverband and you do your own video or you have footage of YOUR band's performance. That is fanmade.

If you have images that you sketched of how you think the video for a song should have been and you put it to music - I think we can allow that.

Use your creativity.

IF YOU SEE VIOLATION OF THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, REPORT IT BY USING THE EXCLAMATION MARK IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER OF RELEVANT POST.


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  • #31
    Originally posted by Snake View Post
    I could understand this action if they actually uploaded all their videos into their oficial vimeo account.
    I'm not sure Rammstein has have anything removed. There are plenty left, it could be the uploaders who have removed something or YouTube once again changed the search-modes.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by The Rose View Post
      I'm not sure Rammstein has have anything removed. There are plenty left, it could be the uploaders who have removed something or YouTube once again changed the search-modes.
      All options sound weird to me. It makes no sense Rammstein would have some of their videos suddenly removed after many years, and not to have all videos removed (for example Rosenrot is still remaining with normal video title). But it does not make sense either, that numerous uploaders would remove their Rammstein-videos at the same time just for fun. Maybe it's some kind of a bug in Youtube and the videos will be back later or something. I cannot find a single normal version of Ich Will video, all of them are subtitled somehow or have audio changes.

      But thanks for the Vimeo-link, I didn't know about that, though there are only a couple of videos there. Still, this Youtube thing makes me difficult to sleep at night
      Last edited by Salmari; 05-08-2015, 09:39 PM.

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      • #33
        Maybe it is not about the videos, but about the audio track.
        "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

        - Raymond M. Smullyan

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        • #34
          I do think that Youtube manages to block these videos that you mention. I can't watch the "Ich will" video with 60 million views on my iPad using my Youtube-app. The same goes for many other Rammstein related videos.

          I am not at all an expert on how copyright laws and video licenses work. Although, maybe the record lable does not want to remove the most viewed videos from Rammstein, because they think that these videos might help the band's popularity. Although Rose's previous statement says that they actually should remove these videos in order to keep their rights. Another reason might be that many Völkerball and Rammstein music videos are uploaded in 2005 or 2006 and have really low quality. Maybe the managment doesn't see these videos as a "threat" because they think potential customers will demand higher quality and eventually pay for content.
          Last edited by Chrisss Nofff; 05-08-2015, 09:45 PM.

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          • #35
            But many of the videos have been in Youtube for years, and had millions of views. Does Rammstein management have a marking on their calendar every 5 years that "Today is the day for 5-yearly Youtube-cleanup!"

            I would just be fun to know what are the reasons behind this. Is it just pure greed? Of course, music business is no charity, but still it's very difficult to think that old Youtube-content could be a significant financial loss. Specially when you think about the increase in band popularity, and the profit it makes eventually. I guess we never find out.

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            • #36
              I can see the videos you mention you can't. So I think it's a YT-bug, not a Ramm-management think. If it were, they would remove all the concert-footage.

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              • #37
                Some weeks ago I saw an empty playlist at Rammstein's Youtube-channel. The playlist was called "Albums". The moment I refreshed the page it was gone. My guess was that they would upload their entire discography on Youtube like many other bands.

                I forgot to write about this earlier. I felt this was not worth writing about here, because I thought they would have everything uploaded the following day. However, today I remembered that they haven't done anything about it. Like all things Rammstein, I guess this will take a looooooooooooooooooong time.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Chrisss Nofff View Post
                  Like all things Rammstein, I guess this will take a looooooooooooooooooong time.
                  Try being a Guns N' Roses fan:
                  - After 1995 the band didn't release anything for 4 years (1 song appeared on a soundtrack in 1999). After that it took 9 years for the next release.
                  - After 1993 they didn't tour for almost 8 years
                  - For their last album they took 16 years, which is already 8 years ago now (and now their plans are "we're going to tour some more")
                  - People wanted a reunion, which happened after 22 years
                  Dort wo der Horizont
                  Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
                  Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
                  Auf das du mich dort findest

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Waidmann View Post
                    Try being a Guns N' Roses fan:
                    - After 1995 the band didn't release anything for 4 years (1 song appeared on a soundtrack in 1999). After that it took 9 years for the next release.
                    - After 1993 they didn't tour for almost 8 years
                    - For their last album they took 16 years, which is already 8 years ago now (and now their plans are "we're going to tour some more")
                    - People wanted a reunion, which happened after 22 years
                    I agree with you on the fact that many bands do release a lot fewer products and tour a lot less than Rammstein. My complaints might go more towards the lable and the managment, who seemingly keep delaying the release of products which are completely finished. Richard actually recently said that "Rammstein in Amerika" was finished a while ago, but the band was just waiting for the movie to get a release date.

                    I know it's pointless to get frustrated over this, but for fans waiting feels like an eternity.

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                    • #40
                      I'm still confused over the delay. I mean.. why? As Chrisss Nofff said these releases were most probably completed a while back.

                      I know they probably wanted to wait until the 2016 shows were over but this Fall would have been the perfect release schedule. People would still buzzed about the recent shows. It doesn't take 5 years to edit a show for release. 'Lab' and 'Volkerball' were released around 16 months after the actual show. Volkerball also had a lot of bonus live content (and all of those shows were probably edited in full before deciding what to use).

                      Just seems a little silly to release both 'In Amerika' and 'Paris' 5 years after the shows. The bonus content better be worth the wait

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Ramm91 View Post
                        I'm still confused over the delay. I mean.. why? As Chrisss Nofff said these releases were most probably completed a while back.
                        If we ever get an answer, it will be just a rumour or a guess. R+ never seem to explain their actions or non-actions. Jonas might in some interview give a hint of an explanation, but I doubt it.

                        And yes: I put my trust in the bonus-material to justify the wait.

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                        • #42
                          Money and label issues, I would guess. I don't know how much profit Rammstein in Amerika made, but if it wasn't enough, they might take a bit more time to handle this in a more tactical way or so, in order to deliver a more succesfull product this time (e.g. make more profit). Since Völkerball the Rammstein DVD's look like they've cost a lot to make, so the DVD has to make up for a lot.
                          Also the label industry might create difficulties. The demands they ask and the time they take to sign corporate contracts and give their permission to go on with the deal can take a lot of time, while bands have no authority to do anything yet. In the past those things were less problematic than now, but the last decade these things have become hell for big bands (Guns N' Roses and Metallica struggled with similar cases, and still do). I know true stories about records being delayed for more than 2 years just because of that.
                          Dort wo der Horizont
                          Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
                          Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
                          Auf das du mich dort findest

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                          • #43
                            As of today the "Klavier" album from XXI is on spotify.

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                            • #44
                              Video for "Pussy" and its making-of video were uploaded on Vimeo 2 months ago... On Lindemann's official channel

                              https://vimeo.com/lindemann

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                              • #45
                                ^"Youtube" does have increasingly strict guidelines for what content they allow. I think they wanted the "Pussy" video and the "Making-of" available somewhere, and the chose "Vimeo", a website which is a lot more relaxed. Why they chose the Lindemann account is strange. Have they forgotten the password for the Rammstein account?

                                That being said, if I wanted to watch the "Pussy"-video, I usually went to Jonas Åkerlund's website. Here you can find a slightly altered "Director's cut" which is uncensored and in decent quality. Besides that, easiest solution was of course to simply turn on the Blu-Ray of their music video collection which I have.

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