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Based on latest discussions on this forum, and studiing copyright laws, it is necessary to state out new forum mandatory rules, effective immediately, so, here we are.

LINKS TO MUSIC & VIDEOS: what is legal/what is not.
NEW RULES in the forum state:

From now on in our forum users shal NOT POST TOPICS THAT containin the following :
• Requests for or links to MP3s, music videos, or other files of questionable legality
• Bootlegs

So, please do not POST A LINK TO music or videos which does not directly originate from an officially legal site.

An OFFICIALLY LEGAL SITE is: rammstein.com or rammstein.de, universal music, a legitimate music site like MTV or VIVA. The links must be direct and linked only to the approved site. Any links which have copied and transferred the music or videos from an official legal site to ANYWHERE else are NOT OFFICIAL.

• Do not ASK FOR A LINK to music or videos. If there is a legal site for either listening or viewing, xTERNAL will provide the information in the NEWS section of www.RAMMSTEIN-EUROPE.com.

WHAT YOU CAN DO in the forums: You can DISCUSS a new song or a new video.

WHAT YOU CANNOT DO in the forums: provide illegal links or ask for links, give directions of any kind as to where something might be found (examples: file-sharing, other fansites, etc.). Screen caps will be allowed (within reason) AFTER a video has been made available through an OFFICIAL LEGAL LINK. Fan remixes of songs will be allowed (within reason) after the song has been officially released.

The above restrictions are necessary not because we are being “damn babies” or “. The reason is simply that RAMMSTEIN-EUROPE has made the decision to not be a facilitator of illegal activities involving copyrighted material. The reason for that is also clear. Rammstein’s Management has shown aggressive behaviour in combating copyright infringement.

Anyone who violates the spirit of the aforementioned expansion/explanation of what the RULES mean here as applied to music and videos (and this also includes the "making of videos") will meet up with one of the following consequences:

POST BLOCKED, LINK ERASED AND WORSE.... BANNED IF NECESSARY.

If you have ANY questions about what may or may not be acceptable here, you can always PM a Moderator and ask first before posting something that might get you in trouble here.

•any links to www.youtube.com (or other sharing sites of a similar nature)are generally not allowed.
While some videos like fan made items or spoof animations are allowed, we do not allow linking to youtube. Oftentimes there is/are illegal videos of Rammstein performances to the side of the linked videos. Actual Rammstein Videos which are very illegal to be hosted by that site - therefore we cannot allow links to youtube to be allowed.

So, links to youtube are now allowed - ONLY IF it is a fanmade video by you, and does not contain bootleg footage or footage of live performances or released performances. Stills from photos found on the net are OK. A montage is OK. Clips of released footage are NOT OK.

Please try to understand that sometimes while we may allow a certain individuals fanmade videos, and deny another persons it is usually because the content in it could get the forums in trouble.

Also if some individuals post their fanmade video and it turns out to be bootleg footage that they filmed themselves at a concert and consider that "fanmade" - then we will have to reverse the ruling on allowing fanmade videos PERIOD!

Here is an update on what is considered "fanmade".
Fanmade is fanmade. You did it yourself. Like cut and paste. You creatd everything yourself. No footage filmed by someone else no clips. Still images are OK.
For example:
If you go out and find 6 banana slugs in the yard, dress them up in LAB outfits, and put the skinniest one in a paper boat and play the music to SEEMANN on a kazoo. That is fanmade.

If you have a coverband and you do your own video or you have footage of YOUR band's performance. That is fanmade.

If you have images that you sketched of how you think the video for a song should have been and you put it to music - I think we can allow that.

Use your creativity.

IF YOU SEE VIOLATION OF THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, REPORT IT BY USING THE EXCLAMATION MARK IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER OF RELEVANT POST.


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  • #16
    I think Rammstein did very well in America this tour attendance wise, relative to them being a foreign band.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Progmetty View Post
      I think Rammstein did very well in America this tour attendance wise, relative to them being a foreign band.
      On the whole I agree to that. The north american venues always have more problems to sell out, whatever band that passes by. You can buy Metallica tickets till days before the show, GNR often doesn't sell out there, Iron Maiden doesn't always sell out either in the US etc. But I guess the expectations of the sales were higher; the difference with the devotion of Rammstein's european public is veeery big, even compared to the same matter with other bands.
      Dort wo der Horizont
      Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
      Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
      Auf das du mich dort findest

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      • #18
        Agreed Progmetty. The venues we attended seemed very full. Have been to shows recently with less attendance by slightly more well known foreign bands. We shouldn't jump on the train of bumming out the American shows unless we know for a fact the ticket sales were poor.
        "I came to see that it is all vanity and a striving after the wind"

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        • #19
          Back on topic: A R+ doc including interviews from other musicians would be epic! I think R+ have influenced more artists than is openly admitted in part bc it's not currently the hip thing for them to do (any Cure fans here remember when it was "cool" to name drop The Cure left and right?). So hearing large acts and other artists admit their admiration for R+ would be a really nice layer of icing on the bands career cake.
          "I came to see that it is all vanity and a striving after the wind"

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Waidmann View Post
            I don't think there is one, but it's told in many reviews that the American venues often weren't sold out (while here in Europe they were out more than a half year before the gig).
            Exactly. Plus, these photos say it all:


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            "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

            - Raymond M. Smullyan

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            • #21
              Not trying to start a dispute here, but if you're basing your comment about poor US ticket sales on a couple of photos Snake, that's not particularly wise. I'm assuming you must have attended a show in the US where the venue wasn't packed out or you've read an interview where the band or personnel commented on poor sales or maybe you saw some statics. Mind sharing that info? Because the 2 shows I attended were pretty crowded (a lot more than your two photos). No seats available below nose bleed and very good crowds in the general admission section especially in ATL, GA. I grow weary of all the people who make it out like the US fan base of any foreign band is weak (I get the same reactions from Depeche Mode and Cure fans). It's difficult to hear of a lot of awesome bands and often difficult to get all of their music and memorabilia because importing is complicated and the US media only like to cram down our ears what they want us to hear. For those of us who think outside the box and look further for great music, the search isn't easy.

              If the bands personnel felt there was money to be made in the US they'd set up a tour. And you know what?! They did! After R+ tested the waters to see if there was a reaction in the States, they decided to come back. Surely that decision wasn't based on a whim. Please cut US fans some slack! Also, it's not as easy as it is in parts of Europe to travel to multiple venues for most of State side. We drove 13 hours to be sure we attended their final US show for this tour. It was extremely costly NOT including the price of tickets! That fact that R+ have a fan base in the States is impressive enough for me to be positive about ANY sales here. If every venue didn't get packed out I'm not going to be negative, panic or say that the States hate R+ and they'll never tour here again. Maybe just a reevaluation of the economics of particular areas or sales to determine where to play next tour... if there even is next tour! All of the fans I met at the ATL show were crazy excited to be seeing their favorite band live and we all knew how special it was to be in attendance. We struggled to get decent seats for both venues. If you want to talk poor tickets sales based on facts, I'll be happy to produce of number of sources that show how effing difficult it is for a US fan of ANY act to obtain tickets because of mark up and 3rd party sellers... not because the US fans are cheap, unappreciative or lack luster about their favorite acts! Please try to be positive! We LOVED Rammstein touring the US! It meant the world to me and my husband!
              Last edited by KatesterLizbrat; 07-11-2012, 08:44 PM.
              "I came to see that it is all vanity and a striving after the wind"

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              • #22
                I wonder if the two concerts I went to were like that because they seemed jam packed. All I saw were people when I turned around. I had no idea Rammstein had so many American fans. For a band that sings in German, they have a pretty amazing American fan base. Waidmann is correct in that most rock bands don't sell out here. I was thinking of going to see Iron Maiden since tix are avail, but I have to work til 7 so I wouldn't get there til 9._____I can't wait to see the R+ doc.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by KatesterLizbrat View Post
                  Not trying to start a dispute here, but if you're basing your comment about poor US ticket sales on a couple of photos Snake, that's not particularly wise. I'm assuming you must have attended a show in the US where the venue wasn't packed out or you've read an interview where the band or personnel commented on poor sales or maybe you saw some statics. Mind sharing that info? Because the 2 shows I attended were pretty crowded (a lot more than your two photos). No seats available below nose bleed and very good crowds in the general admission section especially in ATL, GA. I grow weary of all the people who make it out like the US fan base of any foreign band is weak (I get the same reactions from Depeche Mode and Cure fans). It's difficult to hear of a lot of awesome bands and often difficult to get all of their music and memorabilia because importing is complicated and the US media only like to cram down our ears what they want us to hear. For those of us who think outside the box and look further for great music, the search isn't easy.

                  If the bands personnel felt there was money to be made in the US they'd set up a tour. And you know what?! They did! After R+ tested the waters to see if there was a reaction in the States, they decided to come back. Surely that decision wasn't based on a whim. Please cut US fans some slack! Also, it's not as easy as it is in parts of Europe to travel to multiple venues for most of State side. We drove 13 hours to be sure we attended their final US show for this tour. It was extremely costly NOT including the price of tickets! That fact that R+ have a fan base in the States is impressive enough for me to be positive about ANY sales here. If every venue didn't get packed out I'm not going to be negative, panic or say that the States hate R+ and they'll never tour here again. Maybe just a reevaluation of the economics of particular areas or sales to determine where to play next tour... if there even is next tour! All of the fans I met at the ATL show were crazy excited to be seeing their favorite band live and we all knew how special it was to be in attendance. We struggled to get decent seats for both venues. If you want to talk poor tickets sales based on facts, I'll be happy to produce of number of sources that show how effing difficult it is for a US fan of ANY act to obtain tickets because of mark up and 3rd party sellers... not because the US fans are cheap, unappreciative or lack luster about their favorite acts! Please try to be positive! We LOVED Rammstein touring the US! It meant the world to me and my husband!
                  I'm not passing judgment on the USA fan base. I am merely arguing that the tickets did not sell very well in the US, and I was using Europe as a measuring stick. And the fact is, that for Europe the tickets sold out extremely fast (specially in germany) and all venues were sold out, or at least pretty close to be. If you want to argue that I is not fair to compare North american to Europe, than thats a different story.
                  "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

                  - Raymond M. Smullyan

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                  • #24
                    Snake, You said ticket sales were poor in the US so the band would surely remember the US for that (paraphrasing 2 of your previous posts). I would like to know where you found factual information about poor ticket sales in the US. Please back up your claim or retract the statement. Please do not use "Europe as a measuring stick" for ticket sales for 3 MAJOR reasons: A.) R+ are German. There was ZERO build up or promotion for their tour outside of official site news or day of the show radio announcements thus making it nearly impossible for a ton of people to even be aware of the tour. B.) The way tickets are sold to subsidiaries and scalpers makes it VERY difficult for a fan to obtain good, affordable seats to ANY gig in the US. C.) Overall, western culture only likes pop music so the majority of people in the US aren't R+ fans like they are in say, Iceland or even parts of Germany. As large as the country is and as many cities as the band played in the US, 75% full venues is an amazing turn out/sale and I'm sure it equaled money in their pockets and not loss. I'm amazed that so many R+ fans are here considering that fact that in the States they are not well known and certainly not mainstream. If you don't mind me asking, how much did your ticket cost to see them on this past tour? At certain venues here, the tickets were $110 each directly from Ticketmaster, LiveNation or Stubhub type of retailers. If you had to buy from a subsidiary you paid even more! I'm not complaining about the money as I understand the cost of transporting their equipment overseas... but you MUST consider these FACTS before saying "ticket sales were poor" when you haven't even see any factual statistics and are clearly saying that just to be negative about the US leg of the tour! I can personally say the turn out for Houston, TX and Atlanta, GA shows were wonderful! The negativity is a big turn off (you picked a random thread to squeak in the statement anyways). I'll tell you straight without an agenda that the TX show I attended had a quieter, less enthusiastic crowd compared to Atlanta, GA. I'm not from either of those cities nor do I have a hidden motive in saying that. It's a fact and I'm sure you can find a live recording some where to prove it. If I said something like "the fans in Houston didn't want to be there" I'd be in the wrong because it's not a factual statement and clearly my statement would have another reason behind my words for being negative. My point is, don't trash talk what you don't know. You don't seem to currently have FACTS about your statement so it is therefore an erroneous statement to have made. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I'm just asking that you back up the claim before making it because it definitely comes across like you're itching for a way to bash the US tour or fans. Not very kindly like.
                    "I came to see that it is all vanity and a striving after the wind"

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                    • #25
                      Well, I'm not going to search for lot of sources because it has no sense. There are many articles, I will only add one; the author compares it with previous gigs.

                      There are many pics and videos where you can see not all venues were sold out and the floor it's not full precisely. People even talk in their reviews about going from one stage to the other in some venues. We have not talked about empty venues, some were really crowded but many were not, and they are used to sold out everywhere in Europe.

                      We said too that there were too many gigs and maybe it could explain why the situation was like that. In their last visit to US everything was sold out and of course if there wasn't any promotion many people didn't know about their tour.

                      Not a fight, just an opinion.

                      Here it is, in the right thread: http://affenknecht.com/forum/showthr...ll=1#post12282

                      Originally posted by Snake View Post
                      ^Nassam Coliseum seems to have selled well
                      Not as expected...

                      Part of the cops’ disinterest might be related to the disappointing turnout in the crowd - inside, half the floor was empty at showtime, compared to the two previous sold-out shows Rammstein has played in the past year and a half.

                      But the 10,000 or so who did come out got a brand new show full of crushing music, searing pyro, and some fun new stunts from the band who are as much stage performers as they are musicians.
                      Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/ramm...assau-coliseum

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                      • #26
                        @KatesterLizbrat

                        For somebody who isn't trying to pick a fight with me, you sure look pissed off at me. And if you think I am bashing the US fans with my remarks, then you don't want to see me when I am indeed bashing and trashtalking somebody. Ask anybody around here. Or even better, read my LIFAD review.

                        But to stick to your point, no, I don't have access to ticket sales data. What I do have is the pictures I showed. There are also some fan reports that describe cenarios just like the pictures show. Those might not be hard proofs for you, and I understand that. But you also don't show any data that disputes my claims.
                        Last edited by Snake; 07-12-2012, 04:46 AM.
                        "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

                        - Raymond M. Smullyan

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                        • #27
                          Snake, the pictures you posted clearly show large gaps in the crowd at the [I]front[I] of the stage with the band crossing the bridge! How much more evidence do you need than that? Attendence at some gigs was poor. That's not American bashing, that's a fact.

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                          • #28
                            Rammstein management should have done a much better job promoting the tour. If I would have known about the tour before I did, which was a few days or less before I joined this board I believe, I would have went to at least 10 shows. The reason I joined a Rammstein message board was so I could talk with other fans and know about the next tour preferably a few months in advance so I can save money and request off from work and go to as many shows as possible. When HIM came I saw 10 shows, I went as far as Wisconsin and Atlanta, which Atlanta is a little over 15 hours from my house one way and Wisconsin is about 12 hours one way. I am willing to drive if I know in advance. Hopefully they will come to the US again. If not I better make it to Europe.

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                            • #29
                              ^Exactly. The attendence was mediocre most likely due to poor advertising. Maybe even due to the economy. It never criticized US fans for not attending. All I did was say that the US tour did not sell well. Or at least, not as well as in Europe.
                              "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

                              - Raymond M. Smullyan

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                              • #30
                                Rock musik isn't popular in Amerika like it was back in the 80s and 90s. We need a rock revival. I will say I was shocked to see that many Rammstein fans. I never knew they were popular in the US, many people I know claim to like R+ fans but only know Du hast and wouldn't pay to see them unless they wanted to impress someone. I have trouble attending gigs with people who aren't fans because most of them start whining or pouting and want to leave mid set or 3 to 4 songs before the gig ends. I would rather go by myself.

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