Rammstein documentary

[LittleLuckyLink]

Here's an interesting thing I noticed.

After purchasing my floor ticket for the San Antonio, TX concert, out of curiosity, I continued to check the availability for floor section tickets. Partly because I had a friend that wanted to get into floor as well, and partly because I was hoping Rammstein would do decently in America in regards to ticket sales. Well, the floor section sold out pretty quickly, and gradually the other sections sold out.

However, when the actual concert came, the floor section did not feel full really. There were some gaps larger than anything I had seen in photos of some of the European shows. I highly doubt that so many people would simply not go to something they paid that much for, so I'm kinda wondering if it had something to do with the venue setting a bit of a low limit for the tickets.

Not sure if this could be applicable to the other shows across the US though.

(Regardless, the audience was still great, and the show was obviously amazing.)

[rammsteingirl527]

Ohio ended up selling out

[Waidmann]

Shots from the 2 shows I personally attended and photographed:The places were packed. So while it's probably true some venues didn't sell out, I'd say a good number of the venues did sell well and OVERALL the US tour did have a good turn out. I believe in Atlanta the GA floor tickets sold out. So hopefully the US in general won't be remembered for poor ticket sales.

I'm sorry, but adding "overall" doesn't make it any more believable. Don't get me wrong: I think the US tour was a succes, but the very limited amount of tour dates combined with the fact that several venues didn't sell out (which indicates the offer of R+ was probably higher than the demand) makes the assumption "poor ticket sales" quite legit when comparing to Europe. I think they got more out of the US tour than was ever thought to be possible, but the difference with the european crowd stays hard to neglect. I believe the tour had a good turn, just like you do, but it stays an opinion with facts pro, but also con. The reason of my positive perception is the willing attitude of Rammstein and the fact they organize a quite worthy tour (with all the equipment and more than 10 dates) nowadays in the US (which isn't too logic as they didn't do that in the past AND they're really selecting places, which we can derive from the fact there isn't any talk so far about going back to Asia, Australia or Africa with their MIG).

And just to add: your statement that "Overall, western culture only likes pop music" is for me something between an opinion and 'circular reasoning'. Pop music is that what is popular music and therefore reaches noticable high in the charts. So, R+ used to make pop music between 2001 and 2005 in Europe. But if your calling pop music a certain type of music (with a certain sound), your changing the original definition and ignoring the history of pop music, which contained (almost?) every genre. So that statement of yours I can't follow (or if I would follow it I can only read it as "the western cultural overall likes what it likes", and that reminds me of images of Captain Obvious).

Glad you had a crowded gig with tons of enthousiasm! I envy you as I didn't had the change to get any tickets at all. Maybe that negative feeling makes me split hairs ... For that: I'm sorry!

Hope we hear something from the documentary soon!

[grover]

There was little or no advertising here in England, (apart from magazines), but the tickets still sold like hot cakes.

Yeah that's my point, muse (with little to no advertising) was sold out in like half an hour, and Rammstein last year took about 15 minutes to sell out.. But apart from that, the fact that Rammstein even HAS a fanbase in the USA is pretty awesome ofcourse, for a German band

[Maya]

Yeah I have the Metal Hammer magazine with a whole page.

[Art in Heaven]

There was little or no advertising here in England, (apart from magazines), but the tickets still sold like hot cakes.

[grover]

How do you define "poor advertising"? Cause I don't feel like there's a lot of advertising going on here in Europe (or in the Netherlands, anyway). A few weeks ago I was able to get my hands on tickets for Muse in the ZiggoDome next December. If my friend, who happens to work for Ziggo, hadn't told me they were coming, I think I still wouldn't know

[KatesterLizbrat]

Shots from the 2 shows I personally attended and photographed:
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The places were packed. So while it's probably true some venues didn't sell out, I'd say a good number of the venues did sell well and OVERALL the US tour did have a good turn out. I believe in Atlanta the GA floor tickets sold out. So hopefully the US in general won't be remembered for poor ticket sales.

[Edelweiss]

Rock musik isn't popular in Amerika like it was back in the 80s and 90s. We need a rock revival. I will say I was shocked to see that many Rammstein fans. I never knew they were popular in the US, many people I know claim to like R+ fans but only know Du hast and wouldn't pay to see them unless they wanted to impress someone. I have trouble attending gigs with people who aren't fans because most of them start whining or pouting and want to leave mid set or 3 to 4 songs before the gig ends. I would rather go by myself.

[Snake]

^Exactly. The attendence was mediocre most likely due to poor advertising. Maybe even due to the economy. It never criticized US fans for not attending. All I did was say that the US tour did not sell well. Or at least, not as well as in Europe.

[Edelweiss]

Rammstein management should have done a much better job promoting the tour. If I would have known about the tour before I did, which was a few days or less before I joined this board I believe, I would have went to at least 10 shows. The reason I joined a Rammstein message board was so I could talk with other fans and know about the next tour preferably a few months in advance so I can save money and request off from work and go to as many shows as possible. When HIM came I saw 10 shows, I went as far as Wisconsin and Atlanta, which Atlanta is a little over 15 hours from my house one way and Wisconsin is about 12 hours one way. I am willing to drive if I know in advance. Hopefully they will come to the US again. If not I better make it to Europe.

[Art in Heaven]

Snake, the pictures you posted clearly show large gaps in the crowd at the [I]front[I] of the stage with the band crossing the bridge! How much more evidence do you need than that? Attendence at some gigs was poor. That's not American bashing, that's a fact.

[Snake]

@KatesterLizbrat

For somebody who isn't trying to pick a fight with me, you sure look pissed off at me. And if you think I am bashing the US fans with my remarks, then you don't want to see me when I am indeed bashing and trashtalking somebody. Ask anybody around here. Or even better, read my LIFAD review.

But to stick to your point, no, I don't have access to ticket sales data. What I do have is the pictures I showed. There are also some fan reports that describe cenarios just like the pictures show. Those might not be hard proofs for you, and I understand that. But you also don't show any data that disputes my claims.

[Maya]

Well, I'm not going to search for lot of sources because it has no sense. There are many articles, I will only add one; the author compares it with previous gigs.

There are many pics and videos where you can see not all venues were sold out and the floor it's not full precisely. People even talk in their reviews about going from one stage to the other in some venues. We have not talked about empty venues, some were really crowded but many were not, and they are used to sold out everywhere in Europe.

We said too that there were too many gigs and maybe it could explain why the situation was like that. In their last visit to US everything was sold out and of course if there wasn't any promotion many people didn't know about their tour.

Not a fight, just an opinion.

Here it is, in the right thread: http://affenknecht.com/forum/showthr...ll=1#post12282

^Nassam Coliseum seems to have selled well

Not as expected...

Part of the cops’ disinterest might be related to the disappointing turnout in the crowd - inside, half the floor was empty at showtime, compared to the two previous sold-out shows Rammstein has played in the past year and a half.

But the 10,000 or so who did come out got a brand new show full of crushing music, searing pyro, and some fun new stunts from the band who are as much stage performers as they are musicians.

Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/ramm...assau-coliseum

[KatesterLizbrat]

Snake, You said ticket sales were poor in the US so the band would surely remember the US for that (paraphrasing 2 of your previous posts). I would like to know where you found factual information about poor ticket sales in the US. Please back up your claim or retract the statement. Please do not use "Europe as a measuring stick" for ticket sales for 3 MAJOR reasons: A.) R+ are German. There was ZERO build up or promotion for their tour outside of official site news or day of the show radio announcements thus making it nearly impossible for a ton of people to even be aware of the tour. B.) The way tickets are sold to subsidiaries and scalpers makes it VERY difficult for a fan to obtain good, affordable seats to ANY gig in the US. C.) Overall, western culture only likes pop music so the majority of people in the US aren't R+ fans like they are in say, Iceland or even parts of Germany. As large as the country is and as many cities as the band played in the US, 75% full venues is an amazing turn out/sale and I'm sure it equaled money in their pockets and not loss. I'm amazed that so many R+ fans are here considering that fact that in the States they are not well known and certainly not mainstream. If you don't mind me asking, how much did your ticket cost to see them on this past tour? At certain venues here, the tickets were $110 each directly from Ticketmaster, LiveNation or Stubhub type of retailers. If you had to buy from a subsidiary you paid even more! I'm not complaining about the money as I understand the cost of transporting their equipment overseas... but you MUST consider these FACTS before saying "ticket sales were poor" when you haven't even see any factual statistics and are clearly saying that just to be negative about the US leg of the tour! I can personally say the turn out for Houston, TX and Atlanta, GA shows were wonderful! The negativity is a big turn off (you picked a random thread to squeak in the statement anyways). I'll tell you straight without an agenda that the TX show I attended had a quieter, less enthusiastic crowd compared to Atlanta, GA. I'm not from either of those cities nor do I have a hidden motive in saying that. It's a fact and I'm sure you can find a live recording some where to prove it. If I said something like "the fans in Houston didn't want to be there" I'd be in the wrong because it's not a factual statement and clearly my statement would have another reason behind my words for being negative. My point is, don't trash talk what you don't know. You don't seem to currently have FACTS about your statement so it is therefore an erroneous statement to have made. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I'm just asking that you back up the claim before making it because it definitely comes across like you're itching for a way to bash the US tour or fans. Not very kindly like.