Till: Destroying the myths

[Iroto-chan]

Paperdaysz, you're right! There is something about it indeed, <3 :hug: The very thought about his close relation with his Mom makes me feel warm inside. And the way he took care of his Granny is just... I had tears in my eyes.

And Waidmann, by all means. I guess people always loved makings things up, putting some more "drama" in it, so it "sells" better. Bet some of them felt "dissapointed" when discovering true facts, because it doesn't fit their fantasies anymore.

I also wonder what Till's facial expression was when he used to read this gossiptrash.

[paperdaysz]

i think the fact that Till is the opposite of the way he is on stage, makes him more interesting, some what hotter.
nothing more hotter than a bad boy who cares for their fam or love ones.
And when i read that article by Gitta Lindemann, it changes my point of view about him. Made me respect him even more.
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[Waidmann]

^People just can't stand that in reality things turned out way less spectacular than it could have. All the ingredients were present to make Till a tormented and maybe agressive, violent, father-hating rebel and that sounds so interesting people just want to believe it.

[Iroto-chan]

Just came across a certain blog (Polish one) when a girl gives some short info about Till in general. She seems to be the one of the few, who took some "trouble" to look up those valid sources and she wrote there about Till's grief after his Dad's death. Then a german speaking dude, dunno whether it was a male or female, chimed in and told her to change the text bc "Till hated his Dad and felt very relieved after he was gone" Just... (bangs her head against the desk). You're right guys. No matter how hard I try, there will be STILL some stubborn individuals who turn a blind eye on facts and live on with their fantasies. I cannot help it, it's just making me.. sad. But I quickly interferred and somehow told him/her off and told the author of the text to leave it as it is.
Already mentioned about it bf: People like to intermingle facts with their own fantasies, it could also be some psychological (Freud?) stuff: "My father was a total a***, Till must have suffered exactly the same". And they want to paint him as a tragical hero, who detested his parent and suffered terrible injustice at his hands. Oh well . Keep dreaming in your little dream word, then

[Waidmann]

No problem, 2face, just wanted to know if you had arguments. I personally give people more the benefit of doubt, especially when those people are already constantly being attacked for the wrong and untrue reasons (like Till having problems with his father, Till being a Nazist, Till being every person he sings about etc.). I never want to pick a fight and I'll never judge persons, only comments !

[Iroto-chan]

I have to admit those scars really creeped me out, the first time I saw them. I prayed they weren't auntenthic. But unfortunately they were. I just hope that none of such thing happens again in the future I want him to stay in health!

[RICHARDS BIGGEST FAN]

Not sure about getting involved in this conversation but i have to be honest and say that i have always wondered about Till`s scars, but then it could be an occupational hazzard, after all he does do a very dangerous job !! I like to think that it is not self inflicted but then who really knows for sure.

[2face]

There's no need to apologize, of course, you are free to think and say it.

Thank you Maya

[Maya]

That is what I THINK (my opion). True or not....... I think he is a cutter. Like I said if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I apologise for thinking and saying it

There's no need to apologize, of course, you are free to think and say it.

[2face]

^Thank you for coming along and clearing this up, Waidmann

As a matter of fact, 2face, all this talk about Till being a cutter has also rumbled through various forums but again, it's more what fans want to believe to be true, without reffering to reliable sources - everyone has its own fantasies, some people to dangerous extent. For your information - I've showed a couple of pics with those brand new wounds to my pal who is a doctor. And here's what he said: " Judging by irregular curves at the edges of the cuts, the wounds appear to be the work of a metal or glass". Metal - that would fit, by all means, since Engel wings are made from metal. Another proof - during Ohne Dich song (Vancouver) Till's scars are BLEEDING. Autenthically bleeding.
EDIT: Seems like your post has jumped before mine. It's okay. No one is looking for an argument. Just wanted to make some things clear and provide information/ sources I know.

No worries Iroto-chan

[2face]

That is exactly it, everything that is being said is only speculation. Even what you and your pal doctor might think.

That is what I THINK (my opion). True or not....... I think he is a cutter. Like I said if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I apologise for thinking and saying it

[Iroto-chan]

^Thank you for coming along and clearing this up, Waidmann

As a matter of fact, 2face, all this talk about Till being a cutter has also rumbled through various forums but again, it's more what fans want to believe to be true, without reffering to reliable sources - everyone has its own fantasies, some people to dangerous extent. For your information - I've showed a couple of pics with those brand new wounds to my pal who is a doctor. And here's what he said: " Judging by irregular curves at the edges of the cuts, the wounds appear to be the work of a metal or glass". Metal - that would fit, by all means, since Engel wings are made from metal. Another proof - during Ohne Dich song (Vancouver) Till's scars are BLEEDING. Autenthically bleeding.
EDIT: Seems like your post has jumped before mine. It's okay. No one is looking for an argument. Just wanted to make some things clear and provide information/ sources I know.

[2face]

During the Lifad-tour Rammstein posted tons of pics on fb of them being around while the crew is still working on the stage (waiting for the sound check I guess). So yes, I believe they are near the stage while setting it up, I don't believe those pics are photoshopped or deformed or anything like that; I have nor reason to believe those pics are fake.

Self-inflicted? What makes you think that? What you say sounds more like a myth to me. It might be that he already had some scars, but isn't that only understandable when you're doing hundreds of gigs where you're obliged to rub yourself in with oils and cremes to prevent you from being hurt? That in all those hundreds of gigs it goes partially wrong sometimes is only to expect. Do you have any source or specific reason for thinking what you think?

Maybe being around while final setup of the stage is completed.....MAYBE. We have been in the arenas (M.I.G.) while final setup is been completed (on numerous occasions) and not once have I seen any of the members around the stage.

Those cuts I also think are not photo shopped. I'm not saying that they are for sure self inflicted, what I am saying is that "I THINK THAT THEY ARE".

If the cuts “ARE” from an accident with the "Engel" wings, then that is what happened and I am wrong to think that they were self inflicted.

I have asked a friend who is close to Till if he knew what happened, but unfortunately he doesn’t know (or maybe doesn’t want to tell me). But I will fish some more.

Not looking for a argument or anything, I'm entitled to my opinion. Again if I'm wrong thinking that they are self inflicted, I apologise for thinking and saying it.

[Waidmann]

I know what cuts you are talking about, what I'm saying is that in older pics similar scars are visible on his arms BEFORE the incident/ scars you are talking about. And I don't believe it's from helping the crew unload any equipment. Do you really think he is anywhere near the arena when the crew is unpacking and setting up the stage? Doubtful..... Like the title of this thread...... A MYTH IMHO.....

What I think is those cuts are self inflicted cuts.

During the Lifad-tour Rammstein posted tons of pics on fb of them being around while the crew is still working on the stage (waiting for the sound check I guess). So yes, I believe they are near the stage while setting it up, I don't believe those pics are photoshopped or deformed or anything like that; I have nor reason to believe those pics are fake.

Self-inflicted? What makes you think that? What you say sounds more like a myth to me. It might be that he already had some scars, but isn't that only understandable when you're doing hundreds of gigs where you're obliged to rub yourself in with oils and cremes to prevent you from being hurt? That in all those hundreds of gigs it goes partially wrong sometimes is only to expect. Do you have any source or specific reason for thinking what you think?

[2face]

2face, if you check up the Winnipeg gig clips (on youtube for example) take a close look - scars are nowhere to be seen. First time they appear is around Vancouver gig. If you're talking about those two, sharp cuts on Till's right arm, that's a totally different story. He's had them since long time ago.
I'm talking about the new ones. Seven cuts on the right arm included.

I know what cuts you are talking about, what I'm saying is that in older pics similar scars are visible on his arms BEFORE the incident/ scars you are talking about. And I don't believe it's from helping the crew unload any equipment. Do you really think he is anywhere near the arena when the crew is unpacking and setting up the stage? Doubtful..... Like the title of this thread...... A MYTH IMHO.....

What I think is those cuts are self inflicted cuts.