European Stadium Tour 2019-2021 and now 2022

[Chrisss Nofff]

So now 13 out of 28 shows are officially cancelled.

The government in Quebec has also banned all events until August 31st, so you can put Montreal on that list as well. In the US it's up to each state, although many states are are sceptical about allowing events before fall.

Either way, fear around Corona has caused more or less anyone to stop buying tickets for the US shows since March.

[The Rose]

So now 13 out of 28 shows are officially cancelled.

[Chrisss Nofff]

Update: Germany bans all mass gatherings until the end of August. Big concerts and festivals in particular were mentioned as not being allowed to take place.

[Chrisss Nofff]

It seems the mantra coming from most virologist is "don't start anticipating and wondering when things will be completely back to normal". The reason being that we simply don't how or when the second and third wave of infections will come. We don't know how the virus reacts to the seasonal change. We also don't know when treatment or a vaccine will be ready.

Doing things like attending large concerts or traveling, might be possible in early 2021, summer of 2021, fall of 2021 or even later.

According to this article: https://www.swp.de/panorama/coronavi...-45445245.html
some scientists believes that sport events, festivals, large cinemas and concerts can't reopen until the fall of 2021. There has also been a statement from the CEO of the Tokyo Olympics saying that there is a possibility that the event might not even take place in the summer of 2021 if the virus is not under control.

Either way, I believe that concerts this summer is impossible, but somewhere next year might be "possible". We just have to see how things develope.

[Waidmann]

All governments are quite clear: big events like festivals and big concerts will be the very last thing that will be allowed again. That means everything in May and June will be cancelled for sure. Belgium won't allow anything until July of the sort, France nothing until after 11 July. The neighbouring countries will probably follow, as these measures are the most effective when taken on a larger scale than juste 2-3 countries.
There's also the thing about allowing the band to enter the country and leaving afterwards that's a big issue (not for Berlin of course). I'm not sure when our countries will be allowing foreigners again (and which ones).

[Maya]

In my opinion, they should cancel all the shows, and if posible postpone them.

In Spain, the numbers are getting better slowly but I think we will have to stay at home until June and smaller places like restaurants will be closed, imagine big venues. I don’t think we will be allowed to travel. And other countries will do the same, we have to maintain the measures to control it or it will get worse again. European Stadium Tour 2020 won’t happen and probably neither the North America Stadium Tour.

And no one has mentioned it, but pneumonia leaves you weak, even being a strong man like Till maybe he will need some time to be ready for a tour.

[The Rose]

With the Austrian, Belgian and Danish shows already cancelled I believe they are only waiting for the German states to follow suit, then they'll cancel/postpone the whole European leg of the 2020 tour.

[Ramm91]

So what do we think are the chances of any EU shows happening? Their statement seemed optimistic of some shows happening. I just think if they intend to do any shows it's a mistake. Large scale events even 2 months away could start the spread of this virus again. I'm sure some fans don't want to risk it either. It already seems clear some shows simply will not happen.

I'm just in a sticky situation in regards to going to one of the Berlin shows if they go ahead. It may sound crazy but I have not yet booked flights (in some ways I'm happy I haven't yet). But the price of flights keeps varying. I can cancel the hotel which is fine but a confirmation would be appreaciated by all fans now. I would want to cancel my leave from work if it doesn't happen etc.

At this point it would make sense to postpone all dates to 2021? I'm sure all dates could be reworked even if there were a few challenges.

[Chrisss Nofff]

Several states in Germany are planning on extending a ban on large events trough June and July. There was also some talks at the EU to turn all tickets for cancelled events into vouchers for entertainment that will expire in 2 years. Although this will most likely cause outrage, since many people want their money back.

It's a real shame for those that haven't seen Rammstein live yet.

I saw the stadium show again in Oslo last year, and I must say that it had improved since I last saw them in Berlin. The sound was a lot better. The stadium in Oslo was the second smallest for this tour, and the daylight dissappeared after 30 minutes. This was probably the optimal condition for this show, since the lack of screens was not such a big problem. It was really one of the best concerts I have seen.

Large outdoor shows have always been a challenge for band, especially since what makes their show so unique is the use of light and the lack of screens. However, I think they are getting better at it.

[Snake]

^Yes, they absolutely have 2 stages. I remember back in 2019, there was still ocurring concerts in Germany, while in Spain there were already popping up photos of the crew assembling the stage.

[Chrisss Nofff]

It costs too much to put the show on the road for just a few here and there, they'd end up losing more money than if they cancelled without being forced to it.
But I think Chrisss is right, they are playing a waiting game for the different governments to enforce it.

I remember reading in those articles about the stadium tour, that they built two stages in order to make the tour financially viable. They would lose money if they didn't play at least 3 shows a week on average. I remember in some U2 documentary that a day on the road costs about 1 million dollars, no matter if they play a show or not. I can imagine Rammstein has a similar budget. So having bigger gaps between shows would make the entire tour pointless.

I think the North-America tour will be the hardest to postpone. Alle venues need to be available in the same month, or else the tour will be too expensive.

[The Rose]

^Hmm, seems like they still want to make the best of it, with a "It ain't over 'till its's over" - mentality. Maybe they'll end up doing still a few show after all somewhere in June here and there.

It costs too much to put the show on the road for just a few here and there, they'd end up losing more money than if they cancelled without being forced to it.
But I think Chrisss is right, they are playing a waiting game for the different governments to enforce it.

[Chrisss Nofff]

^Hmm, seems like they still want to make the best of it, with a "It ain't over 'till its's over" - mentality. Maybe they'll end up doing still a few show after all somewhere in June here and there.

If they cancel now, they are legally speaking doing it for no real reason. Then they still have to pay all bills, and refund tickets in some cases. Therefore, I think they wait until governments put a ban on mass gatherings (like in Denmark) so that the «Force Majeur» clause in their insurance kicks in, and the financial blow won’t be as big. At least that is what I am thinking.

[Maya]

I Hope they will postpone all the shows, this is really serious, In June, the danger will be still there.

[Waidmann]

^Hmm, seems like they still want to make the best of it, with a "It ain't over 'till its's over" - mentality. Maybe they'll end up doing still a few show after all somewhere in June here and there.