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  • Could someone translate this:

    I get the drift of it, but not all.
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    • Translation:
      Some parts were hard to understand because of some spelling errors and mispunctuation (or lack thereof). So I translated the text after my interpretation.


      Fan: Hello Zoran.
      After the “Till the end” video, I am now going to ask you the obvious: Are You telling a story with the clips from the concert and the music videos since “Ach so Gern”? Are these connected? And in a way, is “Ach so gern” the beginning of the end? I could be completely wrong, but the videos would be pretty dull on their own. Especially coming from you and Till.
      If you could say if I am on to something (“warm or cold”), I would be happy. If not, that’s ok.

      Zoran: Warm
      Yes, there is a connection, even with his books and “the body” as well. That is an aspect of him that is very important. And you have to accept that aspect. Now you don’t just have the “tenderloin”, but the whole package. And you need all of that to understand Till.
      Last edited by Chrisss Nofff; 02-15-2020, 08:46 PM.

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      • Thank you Chriss, It was what I got from it too. Nice of Zoran to answer the fan.
        So now we have the "whole package" we already had most of it, and sometimes a hint is much better than "in your face" INMHO. I could have lived well without the three pornflicks.

        A girl on Reddit wrote of a party with him she had been to, and she came away with a feeling of him being sad/depressed even though cracking jokes, mostly of a sexual nature.

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        • Well, whatever it is that Till is going through, hopefully he will pull his head out of his head and get therapy. I have a really bad feeling about this behaviour.
          "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

          - Raymond M. Smullyan

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          • I just watched "Till the end"... And thats some unpleasant porn...

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            • Originally posted by Vallor View Post
              I just watched "Till the end"... And thats some unpleasant porn...
              Meh, nothing new, this sh*t has been going behind stage for years, I am not sure why so many people are surprised.

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              • Originally posted by Toivoty View Post

                Meh, nothing new, this sh*t has been going behind stage for years, I am not sure why so many people are surprised.
                Not surprised. All bands shack groupies, that's as old as rock n roll, I've seen that first hand, but this is different. It's the lack of joy and the violence and the need to publish it in this manner.

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                • Originally posted by The Rose View Post

                  Not surprised. All bands shack groupies, that's as old as rock n roll, I've seen that first hand, but this is different. It's the lack of joy and the violence and the need to publish it in this manner.
                  Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Till was a real asshole, this is why I never try to know artists of any kind personally. We should like or even love their work, not them! Otherwise we get in a really stupid situations. I read lindemann reddit thread, and couldn't believe my eyes... People were justifying and explaining how "Till the end" is an "art" for fudge sake...

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                  • I wasn’t going to watch it, I was sure it doesn’t worth my time, but finally I have watched it. What can I say that hasn’t been said before? Nothing. It’s a pity, we all know that scenes like these happen but I don’t find necessary to publish them and I won’t promote this shit, even talking about porn I find it really awful, even the music is bad. I hope Rammstein don’t follow this line in the future and make an abyss between this and their art. Unfortunately Lindemann probably will continue like this, if they would decide to come to Madrid, I’m not sure if I’ll go, seeing the evolution between albums, what’s next?

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                    • Originally posted by Maya View Post
                      I wasn’t going to watch it, I was sure it doesn’t worth my time, but finally I have watched it. What can I say that hasn’t been said before? Nothing. It’s a pity, we all know that scenes like these happen but I don’t find necessary to publish them and I won’t promote this shit, even talking about porn I find it really awful, even the music is bad. I hope Rammstein don’t follow this line in the future and make an abyss between this and their art. Unfortunately Lindemann probably will continue like this, if they would decide to come to Madrid, I’m not sure if I’ll go, seeing the evolution between albums, what’s next?
                      A full fledged porn movie with score composed by Lindmann.
                      "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

                      - Raymond M. Smullyan

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                      • If anyone is interested, here it is a reddit AMA with one of the girls that (allegedly) was part of the Till the End video: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lindemann/c...l_the_end_and/
                        "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

                        - Raymond M. Smullyan

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                        • That discussion surely turned into a shitshow pretty quickly. The girl in the AMA has some credibility, due to her willingness to send proof to the moderators. It seems like most people seem to be somewhat relieved by the fact that the porn shoots were indeed proffesional and 100% voluntary. Some feared that Till simply filmed one-night-stands and posted it online without any of the women knowing.

                          Again, I wasn't outraged by the porn itself, but I just found the videos themselves unimpressive. I liked parts of "Platz Eins", "Knebel" was decent but "Till the end" was really not my cup of tea. My biggest problem was the "backstage"-clip. It just seemed unproffesional for Till to do this during a show. Also, it felt weird that Rammstein was dragged into the Lindemann solo-project.

                          As for Till's wellbeing, let's hope the girl is right and this is just a more "unfiltered" side of Till that always was there. As long as he is happy and everything is voluntay, this is just a matter of taste.

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                          • I keep thinking about this porno stunt. I once heard somebody say that the the point of art is to have a conversation, and in that regard, Till absolutely succeeded. Nobody is indiferent to this stunt. I am willing to accept all this debacle as legit art, but I would suggest that it is terrible art. This stuff made me come to the conclusion that, in my subjective opinion, Till Lindemann is an awesome frontman, but a lousy artist. The reason why I suggest him to be a lousy artist is because using sex to get people to talk is easy and cheap. Everybody with enough fame, money, and connections could create something like Till the End. And this is not an opinion based strictly on the latest videoclips. It goes back to the days when he launched a museum exhibition with all sorts of lousy artwork coubled together with dildos. And lets us also not forget his "Doctor Dick" project. This is all low hanging fruit.

                            Another random thought: I think there is an argument to be made about being selfish of him to do this. Because despite the fact that everything depicted in the video is consented, it is still going to disturb a lot of fans. Till fullfilled his artistic aspirations at the cost of upseting a lot of people to whom he is a role model and a hero. Fans are still going to feel dissapointed at him regardless of not existing any inherent wrongdoing in this stunt. This might even hurt Rammstein and people associated with him. So at the end of the day, was it worth it to express yourself in this manner, Till?

                            But then again, if Till succedded in getting people to talk, doesnt it also make him a successful artist? Maybe that on itself makes it all worth it?
                            Last edited by Snake; 02-17-2020, 07:20 AM.
                            "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

                            - Raymond M. Smullyan

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                            • I never doubted it was consensual, just in poor taste.

                              Did you see the thread where someone asked Zoran if R+ knew what Till was up to under the stage and Zoran said, NO, they didn't. The comments there quickly turns really vile, but what I would really like to know is how the other members thinks of that stunt. I can imagine two or more being upset or even angry about it, even though they knew his (uptil now at least) private side. Not just guesses, but real reactions, but I think they'll take amongst themselves, at least for now.

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                              • Originally posted by The Rose View Post
                                I never doubted it was consensual, just in poor taste.

                                Did you see the thread where someone asked Zoran if R+ knew what Till was up to under the stage and Zoran said, NO, they didn't. The comments there quickly turns really vile, but what I would really like to know is how the other members thinks of that stunt. I can imagine two or more being upset or even angry about it, even though they knew his (uptil now at least) private side. Not just guesses, but real reactions, but I think they'll take amongst themselves, at least for now.
                                Considering even Peter from Lindemann didn't take any part in this? I would guess some members of R+ could be really upset...

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