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The above restrictions are necessary not because we are being “damn babies” or “. The reason is simply that RAMMSTEIN-EUROPE has made the decision to not be a facilitator of illegal activities involving copyrighted material. The reason for that is also clear. Rammstein’s Management has shown aggressive behaviour in combating copyright infringement.

Anyone who violates the spirit of the aforementioned expansion/explanation of what the RULES mean here as applied to music and videos (and this also includes the "making of videos") will meet up with one of the following consequences:

POST BLOCKED, LINK ERASED AND WORSE.... BANNED IF NECESSARY.

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While some videos like fan made items or spoof animations are allowed, we do not allow linking to youtube. Oftentimes there is/are illegal videos of Rammstein performances to the side of the linked videos. Actual Rammstein Videos which are very illegal to be hosted by that site - therefore we cannot allow links to youtube to be allowed.

So, links to youtube are now allowed - ONLY IF it is a fanmade video by you, and does not contain bootleg footage or footage of live performances or released performances. Stills from photos found on the net are OK. A montage is OK. Clips of released footage are NOT OK.

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Also if some individuals post their fanmade video and it turns out to be bootleg footage that they filmed themselves at a concert and consider that "fanmade" - then we will have to reverse the ruling on allowing fanmade videos PERIOD!

Here is an update on what is considered "fanmade".
Fanmade is fanmade. You did it yourself. Like cut and paste. You creatd everything yourself. No footage filmed by someone else no clips. Still images are OK.
For example:
If you go out and find 6 banana slugs in the yard, dress them up in LAB outfits, and put the skinniest one in a paper boat and play the music to SEEMANN on a kazoo. That is fanmade.

If you have a coverband and you do your own video or you have footage of YOUR band's performance. That is fanmade.

If you have images that you sketched of how you think the video for a song should have been and you put it to music - I think we can allow that.

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Zerstören analysis

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  • Zerstören analysis

    This is only the first of several threads I'm planning to start regarding the meaning of Rammstein songs.

    Why Zerstören? Well, that question seems to be legit when you listen to the song for the first time. Because, the first time you hear it, the song probably seems pretty straightforward: it's about a person who is very eager to destroy (e.g. the constant repeating of "Ich muss zerstören" and the many synonyms for it), but however has the feeling he shouldn't ("doch es darf nicht mir gehören", 'ich will ein guter Junge sein"). In the end, the duality seems to fade away as the overall very dominant urge to destroy seems to win.

    The strange intro is already explained on this site: it's part of the song Huma Kusu, a Turkish song (about sadness and fear of loss, if I understand correctly), which can be related to the working title Ankarra and indirectly to the problems in the Middle East in these times of war (the song was written in 2003-2004, when the Iraq war dominated the news). Flake did explain that the song was about US president G.W. Bush who seemed to enjoy ensuing destruction with his Middle East-orientated "War On Terror".

    But what about the outro? Why the sad story of the blind girl leaving the guy? It doesn't really seem to relate to the rest...

    One interpretation would be pure liguistics. The word "blind" coud refer to the expression "blind by rage", an idiom used in German as well. Than you could say that when the rage or the blindness is over, one opens the eyes and sees to what terrible destruction hate has lead. That could correspond with the tone and structure of the ending music, which evokes a kind of weird, calm atmosphere reminding of the painfull, threatening quietness you have after a big loud disaster (like a bomb or fire atack - in this song the heavy climax of singing, drums and guitars), when silence falls and you see what ruins are left behind. After the fierce energy of destroying, one opens the eyes and realizes what has been going on. Probably the feeling that places like Bagdad must've had for the innocent citizens who were victims of America's agressive destructive politics, i.e. the bombardements.

    Whatever the interpretation, it seems to be about an epiphanie ("die Augen aufgemacht") after a period of blindness. The epiphanie doesn't happen to everyone though: the girl (= The (Middle) East? Often represented in art by a woman btw) sees what's going on and takes her distance from the man (= The West? Or G.W. Bush as representative of the West?) by leaving him. That interpretation would imply though that the woman (East) has been quite agressive and destructive too, joining the man (west), and only now seems to be turning away from it. Politically/historically that could refer to the destructions made by the East in the late 80s - 90s - 2000s, beginning with terrorist attempts and strikes, resolving into 9/11.

    If this is what Rammstein exactly meant, we cannot know of course. Flake revealing his anti-Bush sentiments as background to this song makes us think at least some of this might be intentional. Besides, we cannot forget that with Amerika, written in more or less the same period, the band also made aware they had some sarcastic thoughts regarding the American imperialism. This of course quite beneath the surface and with a - for them very typical - portion of duality: it's not all good, and it's not all bad. A thing we see again in Zerstören, where we can see that the "Mädchen" also used to be blind.

    What are your thoughts on this? Especially that ending of the song always puzzeled me and I never seem to grasp the exact meaning of it. Do you have other insights, convictions or maybe even arguments to completely disagree with me? Please share them!
    Last edited by Waidmann; 03-17-2016, 05:08 PM.
    Dort wo der Horizont
    Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
    Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
    Auf das du mich dort findest

  • #2
    Thanks for this analysis! I think you're spot on, always thought that way byt could never put it into words like you've done, please continue doing this!

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    • #3
      Amazing work as always

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      • #4
        I kinda feel like a jerk for not reading this post, but I can't help it: TL;DR.
        "Which is better, eternal happiness or a ham sandwich? It would appear that eternal happiness is better, but this is really not so! After all, nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness."

        - Raymond M. Smullyan

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        • #5
          ^OMG, Read it!

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          • #6
            I've never been good at analysing texts, and therefore never do, but you seem to have quite a grasp for it, and I enjoyed reading it, and think you could very well be on the right track. Thank you for taking the time

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            • #7
              Nicely written, and it opened my eyes as well (Heheh, see what I did there?), and seeing things and hidden messages that I did not know.
              Especially Flake's background about this song, good job mate, I enjoyed reading it.
              Ich tu' dir weh, tut mir nicht Leid, das tut dir gut

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              • #8
                Thank you very much for the kind responses, athough I think its a quite superficial analysis. Sure Chrisss Nofff would agree on that !
                Of course there's some speculation involved, but I try to "objectify" it by adding band member quotes, historical themes and other references to it. Glad at least some of you liked it.

                @Snake: no problem!
                Dort wo der Horizont
                Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
                Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
                Auf das du mich dort findest

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                • #9
                  Interesting. Amazes me that someone actually takes time to do analysis of the song texts.
                  Die Rammstein Akten.
                  The ultimate Rammstein press archive.
                  http://www.rammsteinpress.com/

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                  • #10
                    ^^Really good analysis Waidmann! To be honest, Zerstören was a song which I never put too much thought in. I did however once stumble across Flake's comments regarding the Iraq war and Bush being an insperation for this song. I think you gave the song a very good interpretation. The best thing about your analysis however, is the fact that you explain the meaning behind many German sayings and idioms. I think this helps the none-German-speaking people here understand the lyrics of this song a lot more.

                    As for the ending, Paul once said that Rammstein like to add a "teaspoon of sugar" in some of their darkest songs, meaning they like to put some humor or maybe a happy ending (like in Spieluhr) just to create some interesting contrast. I always thought that was the instance with Zerstören, but of course your interpretation is much more interesting.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SonneN View Post
                      Interesting. Amazes me that someone actually takes time to do analysis of the song texts.
                      Well, I've been analyzing literature quite often (as part of my job, but also as some kind of hobby), so why not song texts? Of course, I do not claim to offer the truth, just an interpretation. Could sound quite boring and an obsolete waste of time to many people, I know.

                      @Chrisss Nofff: thanks! Although I searched for a link between the song and the ending, I indeed find it quite an opposition, something that sounds a bit more lightly than the heavy fast part before. It's indeed a typical Rammstein contrast.
                      Last edited by Waidmann; 03-21-2016, 08:24 PM.
                      Dort wo der Horizont
                      Sich mit dem Meer verbindet
                      Dort wollt' ich auf dich warten
                      Auf das du mich dort findest

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                      • #12
                        It's a very good analysis. my comment was meant in a good / positive way
                        Die Rammstein Akten.
                        The ultimate Rammstein press archive.
                        http://www.rammsteinpress.com/

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