Europe 2019 Stadium tour - Spoiler thread

[Waidmann]

After MSG and the MIG film, I see no need for yet another DVD from that decade. This new tour is a reason, of course, but the ones before weren't, I think. It would've been too early, after the other ones.

I do recall Richard talking about 3 DVD's but about live DVD's? And Bercy 2013 was indeed recorded, but it might be saved for later on. Many other earlier concerts through their career were filmed (partially), so in the end it might all see the light of day. But I think the time isn't ripe yet.

Yeah, I'd still prefer it as well without the screens, as it is right now. Yes, you miss things, but you always did since the Ahoi- tour. Paul and Flake are fooling around as well, which is also a thing worth to see. If anything, the grand stage makes sure everyone sees at least something, as for in the past, for small people, I can imagine at some times in the back of the audience they couldn't see a thing.
The thing the designer said about retuning was more meant as a joke IMO . I would just say the same: "If you haven't seen it all, come back, it's worth seeing it all again", which is probably true as well.

[Maya]

According to the LIFAD forum Moderator, the two shows in Vienna in August will be recorded.
http://affenknecht.com/forum/forum/r...erts-in-vienna

[Ramm91]

I'm honestly not sure a 2013 DVD was ever on the cards. It was basically the 2011/12 setlist with a few changes and different effects. Overall very similar to Paris setlist. I would still love a recording but at this point I don't think it's happening. 2016/17 recording would be nice too.

I hope one day similar to Kiss they release a boxset of unreleased footage. Brixton 2005 full show would be amazing. Some Mutter tour stuff too if any more exist.

[Salmari]

Well, I somewhat have to agree with the interview. Screens would indeed take the focus off the show itself. And yeah, the best choice would be to see the concert twice, from near and far, but in many countries they play the show only once, and not everyone has ability to buy 2 x 100 euro tickets to get the full experience. So there is a reason behind this, but it's like a double-edged sword. I'm happy that I was nearly in front row, but I know I missed some of the visuals. People more far experienced all the visuals, but missed the details. Well, maybe it's about what you prefer.

What cought my eye was "The focus of the audience should be on the stage, not on video screens, on which a concert takes place like a film. You can buy it on DVD and watch it at home.". Is that just general talk, or when designing the stageshow and deciding not to use screens, had they already decided that this concert will get a film release? It would be cool, but with Rammstein I can't be nothing more than sceptical. I think they still are one DVD behind, since Kruspe talked about 3 Live DVDs some years ago (In Amerika, Paris, and one from 2013 tour.

[Maya]

"Caesar did not have any screens in the Colosseum, and the shows worked just fine."

The Rose It’s a very interesting interview
https://www.metal1.info/interviews/r...-stage-design/

[The Rose]

I would have liked beg screens too, there is a sort of explanation in the link to the interview with the stage-designer I posted a bit earlier in this thread.

[Salmari]

A few more thoughts since few days have passed after the concert.

Even if many people said that this was the best concert they've been to, many of them also criticised the band for not using screens. There was so much going on in the stage, but most of the people had no idea what was happening, they only see the flames and the lights. It didn't bother me since I was like 20 meters away from the stage, but I think it's very strange for a concert this size not to use proper screens. There are so many details happening on the stage, and Till uses much facial impressions and such during his performing, and most of it is going to waste because they don't use proper sceens. Of course this is a planned decition, but it would be nice to know the reasoning behind this.

Also what bothered me about the concert was that even if certain things and the overall concert is updated and bigger than before, some of the previous effects have been dropped off, which makes the impression of somewhat more lame show than before. For example, Links was missing the explosion at the start, Mein Herz Brennt was missing the pumping heart (they went straight to the burning heart), the second flamethrower in Mein Teil didn't have the explosions that was in previous versions (though it had the third cooking stage instead) and Pussy was missing the smashing of the microphone stand and the explosion. Of course these are very minor things, but again it would be nice to know the reasoning to downgrade some parts of the show from previous years. Is not like those things couldn't be implicated to the new stage.

But anyway, still very exited about the show. When I checked my recording from the show, I have to add beginning of Sehnsucht to the highlights. It's not that different from the previous shows, but when the first bombs at the start go off horizonal, and then they they start to go up the tower vertically and at the end all of them blow simultaneously, it's just something magical.

[Maya]

Great review!!! My concert serme centuries ago...

[Salmari]

I went to the concert in Finland yesterday.

Pros and highlights:

- Intro. The explosion at the first drum hit was something you just have to experience. It was so big and loud that even if I knew it was coming, it still suprised me. I think the intro would have been better if the band members, or at least Till would have used the elevator of the tower to enter the stage, but it was quite OK this way.

- Puppe. Till using the eye-camera and showing the footage on the screen was a great idea, and Till was really giving everything in his singing, just like in the album version of the song.

- Deutschland remix. When an aggressive heavy metal concert suddenly turns into an electronic dance music show, in which the band members suddenly are dancing in stick-man costumes and clearly not having any idea what the hell are they doing, how can you not love it? This is one of the biggest reasons I love the band, they don't take themselves so seriously and have the courage to do ridicilous stuff like this.

- The new third stage of cooking Flake in Mein Teil was great, though it was not a suprise for me since I spoiled myself from Youtube before.

- Heirate Mich was great to see live for the first time, even if it didn't have anything that special in the show.

- And of course all the familiar highlights of the show from Du Hast, Sonne, Pussy and Ich Will, although this time everythings was again bigger and better than before.


Cons and drawbacks:

- Unfortunately Duo Jatekok was quite boring as opening act. After already waiting for 3 hours for the band to start, this just wasn't energic enough

- The stage didn't change nearly at all during the show, like in the previous shows, where there is more lights and more props introduced during the show.

- Quite many songs didn't have any special effects at all, just basic lights. For example Deutchland and Radio looked and sounded awesome, but I wished there would have been some special effects used in these songs.

- I would have preferred the original version of Engel with the wings and flames over this piano version.

- I can deal with dropping Keine Lust, but dropping Feuer Frei from the setlist is just something I can't understand. For me the flame masks have always been one of the highlights of the previous shows.

Summary:

All in all this was an amazing experience once again and I enjoyed it very much, but was it the best show from the band? I can't say at this point yet. The show was louder and bigger than anything I've ever seen before, but I think it didn't reach it's full potential. I haven't checked the facts, but it feels like this show had the most songs just with the lights and no special effetcs at all. And even if the stage show was on a whole new level, the setlist wasn't one of their best.

For the ultimate Rammstein experience, I think I would take this stageshow, change a few songs and add something more special to the new hits Deutchland, Radio and Ausländer.

If they would play the same concert again next year, I would buy tickets. And I probably will buy tickets to the show in Estonia next summer, unless they come to Finland again.

Also many of my friends attented this concert who haven't seem Rammstein before but have been to concerts from Metallica, Iron Maiden, Kiss, AC/DC, Muse and such. All of them said this was by far the best concert they have ever been to.

[Maya]

Amazing review!!!

[Chrisss Nofff]

This is my review of the Berlin show.

I just noticed it got removed somehow. The spam-detection on this forum seems to wrongly remove long replies sometimes.

[Chrisss Nofff]

I just got back from seeing them in Berlin, three years after the 3 Waldbühne shows in 2016.

My short review:

They definitley try some new things. With the exception of the two Prague concerts in 2017, Rammstein are more or less stadium-virgins. so it was quite interesting to see how the band pulled off this tour.

Was ich liebe - intro

The band came on stage at 08:37 PM which is roughly the starting time for most shows of this tour, I found this a bit early since Berlin had a sunset at 09:45 PM that day. I must add though that the band probably was just following a curfew.

However I have a strange feeling this intro actually works slightly better in daylight. First there was the orchestra intro (felt very Metallica-ish), then the loud explosion which made everyone go deaf. The band then appeared one after the other as black smoke started to emerge from the towers in the crowd and on the stage. The black smoke actually darkened the stadium which was a good effect. Overall, the intro worked quite well. Really something different. However, I must say that heavily preferred the crazy Ramm4 intro from 2016.

I had a seat relativly close to the stage, and from my perspective, the sound was pretty good, Not as good as Nimes or Berlin 2016, but still better than any festival or other big outdoor concert of this kind I have seen.


The first half of the show

Was ich liebe was followed by Links 2,3,4 ,Tatto, Sehnsucht, Zeig Dich and Mein Herz Brennt. What stood out were the changes done to the classic songs (Links 2,3,4 and Mein Herz Brennt), the newer songs were played pretty much how they sound on the record.

My problem with this part of the show, was that it just lacked a bit of a spark. The lighting show is rather moderate with only white and orange light being used. The flags change the overall look of the stage, but they are pretty much the only new "effect" used here. It was also strange that the IMAC screen was not used to show close-ups of the band.

Next up are Puppe, Heirate mich, Diamant, Deutschland, Radio ,Mein Teil, Du hast, Sonne and Ohne dich. I started realising that Puppe and Deutschland actually seem to be the only two songs from the new album with a specific stage show. The rest of the songs either only have lighting or use a more generic special effect (pyro jets for instance). That being said, both the Deutschland-dance and Puppe were absolute highlights of the show. Once again the band showed their creativity and showmanship.

The classic songs are also enjoyable. Much like the "Made in Germany"-tour, all the effects are taken to the most extreme degree. Espacially Sonne and Mein Teil. After Sonne it was finally somewhat dark in Berlin.

Ohne dich was also a highlight. It was also dedicated to a friend of the band who died recently.

The second half of the show

Suddenly, the band appeared on the B-stage and played the now famous version of "Engel". The lyrics were displayed on the IMAC screen, and 75 000 people sang along. That was truly magical. Later on the band took a boat ride back to the main stage. Ausländer was played without any effects (although I read something about burning barrols during the Gelsenkirchen rehearsals).

Then came arguably the most amazing part of the show, the return of the song Rammstein. Both pyro and lightingshow looked amazing in the big Olympiastadion which was pitch black at this time. Ich will was a fitting end, and all the sudden the show was over.


The sound

I had a seat relativly close to the stage, and from my perspective, the sound was pretty good, Not as good as Nimes or Berlin 2016, but still better than any festival or other big outdoor concert of this kind I have seen.


Conclusion

Although I have heard many positive reviews, I am yet to hear someone say that the "Untitled"-tour was Rammstein's best show. It's bigger and louder than any of the previous concerts I have been to, but it just didn't manage to top my previous experience seeing them live.

I feel if there was one change to this tour the band could do, it would be to change the first 5-6 songs of the beginning of the show. There is just something about the pacing and the choice of lighting show that doesn't quite get the audience pumped.

Another weakness of this show is just the outdoor location, I think Rammstein still has to figure out how to get their show working in a stadium setting. For instance compare Puppe to Wiener Blut, Zeig dich to Waidmanns Heil and Ausländer to Pussy.

Overall I must stress that I liked the show. Hell it was the best concert I have seen since I last saw Rammstein in Nimes. However the band's first stadium show doesn't quite live up to the last couple of tours.

[The Rose]

Interesting interview with the stage-designer:
https://www.metal1.info/interviews/r...-stage-design/

[Waidmann]

Isn't the partner supposed to be getting it, not total strangers?

Doesn't matter, one size fits all

[The Rose]

^Maybe they are into golden showers.

Isn't the partner supposed to be getting it, not total strangers?